November 25, 2010, 04:07 AM | #1 |
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Olympic arms ar-15
The price is right for entry level weapon. I need pros & cons from the folks that know.
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November 25, 2010, 04:41 AM | #2 |
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First thing; you must decide on your personal usage. If you shoot 100 rounds every couple weeks at relatively slow rate of fire you will have a different need than some one shooting once a year but shooting 1000 rounds as quickly as you can.
Olympic makes perfectly decent firearms and they are a good entry rifle. You may also want to take a look at DPMS. Their offerings have a little more versatility in regards to buying an inexpensive entry rifle and then upgrading. But really brand is not super important the AR15 chassis is like a PC there are dozens of companies that make uppers, lowers, stocks and the like. There are a number of features like a forward assist, a dust cover, a quad rail free floating hand guard, and a TROMIX muzzle brake offer. But until you have an idea of how much shooting you will do you can essentially buy anything you can afford and you will be happy. On your first gun I wouldn't spend more than a grand, I strongly recommend one with iron sights.
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November 25, 2010, 06:54 AM | #3 |
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Just as "good" as a D.P.M.S, Bushmaster, Armalite, Doublestar, Rock River, S&W, Stag arms, Del Ton, CMMG, .etc.
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November 25, 2010, 09:00 AM | #4 |
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Olympic Arms gets a undeserved bad rap because they made a very cheap entry level rifle back in the 90's. This one model has haunted them ever since. I know a few guys that own newer OA's and they like them, no problems and some of them shoot steel case ammo all the time. Don't believe the haters, they are parroting what they read on the net.
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November 25, 2010, 09:16 AM | #6 |
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Tend to be accurate and priced right. They have also had a tendency to be out of spec occasionally (won't mate up to other uppers, etc.).
Anybody who tells you they're the equal of a CMMG or Rock River has never once used one of those brands. Olympic is a budget rifle. Period. They're not priced that way because the other makers spend their extra profit on a Mercedes company car for the janitor. You aren't getting what you aren't paying for. The next step up would be DPMS or Del-Ton. Then on to the others from there. Those claiming the cheap rifles are "just as good as" the higher priced brands don't know what they're talking about. I'd see what the price difference is between the Olympic and the others. If the extra cash is the difference between having a rifle and not having one, then by all means go for the Olympic and it may be all you ever need if you just use it for plinking. If you are thinking about taking carbine courses or running it hard at all, you're going to be better off saving up for a higher quality rifle. |
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Picked up an Olympic K-16 about a month ago, so some may say I haven't had it long enough, but, while the finish isn't as good as my Armalites and Bushmasters it has quality where it counts. I have had no problem shooting groups in which all the holes are touching and I haven't had one little hiccup. Tho only change I made was to change out the trigger for a tactical two stage that came out of one of my Armalite's when it was upgraded. If someone asked, would I buy another, I would say yes, But they're not replacing my Armalites.
It's this one http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?pag...mart&Itemid=37 You can find them for around $700 or less. Quote:
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I agree with goodspeed and others- just as good as all the other entry-level offerings.
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Excellent Old Olympic Arms AR-45 Upper
Own Several Mfgs, Uppers & Lowers. No Issues with my old OLY Upper
Have a OLY AR-45 Upper at least 15Yrs Old Mated with a New Timberwolf Lower with the usual J&P Parts. Excellent Function ,45 Accuracy with a Red Dot . Lucky Find (Purpose-Pistol Caliber Class IDPA Multi Gun) Down Side- Mags are Super Expensive and Scarce, but 100% Reliable(Modified Uzi with built-in Mag Well Block)
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November 25, 2010, 01:11 PM | #12 |
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Lots of AR info available HERE
Just do your homework before deciding on what type or model best suits your needs, ie; do you want a flat-top or not; 16" carbine or 20" barrel; 1/9 or 1/7 barrel twist; chrome-lined barrel or not, etc.. If the price is right and it suits your specific needs, then buy it
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I bought an Olympic Arms...
...AR15 two years ago, and it's a very fine rifle. I bought a model K8 Match/Target model, and mounted a Weaver T36 target scope. I use it primarily as a target rifle, and it shoots very accurately well past 300 yards.
The limit on the bullets is 69 grains since the twist is 1-9". I wanted to be able to shoot up to 80 grain bullets, so I opted for a DPMS upper with a 24" SS barrel, and twisted 1-8" (Midway USA had a great sale on them). I just put a Tasco World Class (Japanese-made) 6-24x44 scope on the Olympic Arms upper, and it goes to the range tomorrow for zeroing. Just bear in mind what your goal is before committing to anyone's rifle. Mine was target shooting, so rails, lights, etc., have no effect on my decision. Good luck. |
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my question is.. say you buy an olympic arms, it shoots good enough groups to satisfy your needs. cant you then start upgrading components of the rifle as money comes along and end up with a much better rifle?
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since you can buy a S&W for$599 after rebate there is no reason to look at oly's
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OLY is hands down THE WORST mainstream AR you can waste your money on. Anyone who says it's on par with even a lowly DPMS doesn't know much about the AR platform.
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November 26, 2010, 01:34 PM | #17 |
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The great all knowing internet has spoken. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
What you just posted can be found for any brand. 99% of postings are from unhappy buyers, 99% of the happy buyers don't post
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Don't buy cheap and then claim it's just as good as the expensive stuff. If it is, then account for where the extra money goes. Items of similar quality tend to get priced alongside one another, and within a price strata it is generally uncommon to see huge differences between the products. In home audio you won't see much difference between similarly priced Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, and Onkyo gear. In automobiles there's a reason BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, and Infiniti are priced similarly. In guns, Colt, LMT, and BCM tend to be priced right alongside each other and get similar reviews. There's many shooters for whom an Olympic rifle will work just fine and be everything they want. For their purposes there's not much point to buying a Colt. But that doesn't mean the Colt isn't higher quality; it just means the shooter won't use the rifle in a way that makes those differences apparent. It just depends on what the buyer is thinking he or she is getting for his or her money. |
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My department bought 4 Olys because that's all the bean counters would let us have. 2 of them failed during a Marksman/Observer rifle class and we were using the AR's during a phase as an observer. This was not a clear the rifle and go situation it was the bolt was stuck and was done.
Sent the two rifles back and we have not had one single issue since about 2002. We have one admin who was trynig to see how long he could go before cleaning. His rifle quit when the bean counters decided we should use wolfe as practice ammo. A little lub will do ya. We did have enough problems with the Wolfe the bean counters gave into at least brass cased practice ammo. The lot of Wolfe we had had a more than normal missing holes under the primers. No fault of the rifle. The Oly I have for duty shoots well enough I'm normally on top of the pile for qual scores. I will admit the Oly shoots no where near as good as my WOP uppers on my RRA NM lowers with match triggers.
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my question is.. say you buy an olympic arms, it shoots good enough groups to satisfy your needs. cant you then start upgrading components of the rifle as money comes along and end up with a much better rifle.
if you dont have the cash to but a real nice one up front why cant you build on an olympic platform? |
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Don't know if this is what you are looking at but this is a basic carbine from Oly.
http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?pag...mart&Itemid=37 This is a much better quality from BCM. These guns are made mil-spec and are the same quality as Colt. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-S...g-car-16lw.htm No hear comes the argument I don't need mil-spec or chart lover. I tend to do a lot of research when I buy. I find products that actually have a specification and meet them. Why not buy a product that meets the specifications to what the government uses in the field? That BCM is a great deal. Once you add the BCG and the charging handle you come to $520 then all you have to do is pick what kind of hand guards you want and you will have a superior weapon. Do some research. I tend to push people here over to m4carbine.net I suggest the same for you. Buy right the first time. You will most likely spend more money upgrading (fixing) than just saving a little more the first time.
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If they are so bad, why has my PCR02 Oly given me flawless and accurate shooting pleasure for thousands of rounds over the past several years?
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I'm not saying they are bad, just not good enough for me. It all depends on your needs. If your rifle over years of firing has never failed or given you any problems then that is awesome, but compared to other brands oly does not have a good reputation. If you have the rifle for plinking or varmint I think that it should serve you fine. In my opinion every gun I have has to be able to be used in self defense, I do not label some guns as plinkers, some for hunting, and others for just defense. All have to be used for defense and then they get other labels. Given the research I have done Oly does not merit being a gun that I own.
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