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June 18, 2019, 11:43 PM | #151 | |
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So, no, steel treated with ferritic nitrocarburizing doesn't "rust like any other piece of metal"--it will rust less than untreated steel. It may still rust (as can stainless steel or steel protected by other means) when exposed to extreme conditions (e.g. 2 days in a salt spray cabinet) but it tends to be quite corrosion resistant in practical environments. Depending on the treatment parameters it can result in a steel part that is more corrosion resistant than some stainless steels, or even than hard chrome plating. For what it's worth, ferritic nitrocarburizing is not really a Glock specific treatment. A number of firearm makers use similar metal treatments on their guns. However, as mentioned the results can vary depending on treatment parameters.
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Right and most firearms are treated. Almost every Military treats their weapons against corrosion which means in theory...... I should not have had to tell them to clean the rust off their weapons. Yet it happened. Go figure. |
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June 19, 2019, 12:36 PM | #153 | |
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Prior to finishes like hard chrome and Tennifer, it was a constant struggle to keep things from rusting, especially in the summer with leather holsters. Really never had that issue once I had things chromed, or went with Glocks. But thats just from actual daily use, and not "trying" to get it to fail. Im sure if you try hard enough, you can make anything fail, if you want. Then there is this. Chuck Taylor did an extended dunk test (6 months) with his one Glock, in the ocean, with no results like youre showing in your link. https://www.ballisticmag.com/2018/05...re-test-ocean/ Makes you wonder what the differences were. Sounds like they had ineffective leadership. Last edited by AK103K; June 19, 2019 at 12:45 PM. |
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Great write up from Chuck Taylor. His Glock and his reports were the first to really get my attention about owning a Glock. I did briefly own one Glock. A 357 Sig version I bought at the gunshow. Before I could could even shoot it a friend begged me to sell it to him. So I did. For a profit of course. He still has the gun a decade later. Thats a record for him. He buys and shoots 50 rounds and then sells, normally at a loss and buys something else.
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June 19, 2019, 09:04 PM | #156 | |
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Im not buying those "48 hour" spray cabinet results either. Im not saying they cant rust, just that in my experience, you would have to really work at it to get it to happen. I dont wipe my Glocks down with oil, or anything other than Hoppes when I clean them. Never have, and never found the need to, and thats been across all generations. I oil the internals where and how Glock specifies, nothing more. Ive carried a number of different makes of handguns on a daily (16-18 day) basis, for about 45 years now. Worked and played hard, outdoors, my whole life too. So far, the Glocks, and a couple of 1911's Ive had hard chromed, have been the only ones that didnt need to be constantly babied, and havent had rust issues. I know you seem to have some sort of hard on for the Glocks, which is fine, we all have our likes and dislikes. Use whatever you like best. Im simply pointing out some things Ive found from personal experience, to differ from what you'd have us believe. Ive owned and used guns by most of the big name companies over the years, and Ive found the Glocks to be reliable and more durable than most, and a real bargain for the money. Im also up for trying anything that looks like it might be decent too. If I find something better, then Ill move up. But right now, I have gone through and replaced SIG's, HK's, Colts, Walthers, and a few others, and right now, its Glock in that spot thats filling the bill. And they are now rust free, and all have big smiles on their faces due to your tutelage? |
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I once carried a G23 on a week long backpack trip in PA. It rained every day, and when it wasn’t raining, there was high, sweaty humidity.
The G23 was either in a damp pack pocket, or IWB in a cheap Uncle Mike’s soft nylon holster the whole time. In fact, that holster was trashed from being wet the whole time, and the pistol was in it continuously. Upon my return home, the G23 looked like it never left. I knew that if I had carried the Browning HiPower I owned, it would have been a rusty mess...That pistol would rust if you looked at it wrong.
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Must have just had a bad batch sent by the factory for us to test. |
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Just curious, but what exactly on the gun rusted? |
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2. If you read it, but genuinely didn't understand it, please point out the specific sections that are confusing and I will try to explain them. 3. If you read it and understood it, but thought it would be a good idea to try to put words in my mouth instead of just responding to what I posted, I hope you realize that you are wasting not only your time and mine, but also the time of others who are participating in the thread.
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It seems to me that slides on Glocks, especially the exterior surfaces, are treated to inhibit rust. So one more step, beyond "add moisture" is required to explain this. You're "equation," as it stands, does not equal a rusting Glock, at least not an unaltered Glock. Between my dad and me, we've owned a fair few Glocks. Some have been exposed to, or even temporarily stored in pretty moist environments. Environments that I imagine are damper than Afghanistan. I am also wondering... Was it the exterior surface of the slide, was it internal surfaces, the surfaces of other parts making up the mechanics of the slide?
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I've got a Glock 30.3SF, of fairly recent manufacture (last 5 years or so), with most of the finish worn off the slide. This gun has been exposed to moisture many times and has not rusted.
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As I said earlier, Ive seen a gun that was dropped in the snow while snowmobiling, and "lost" on the mountain, for over a year, and the Glock itself didnt rust a bit. Ive also carried them in sweat-soaked leather holsters for weeks on end, and never had anything other than the slide stop rust. Now all of a sudden, they rust just because they dont have oil on them, which is something I dont do to the outside finsih of the gun anyway. Not saying it didnt happen, but I am skeptical. |
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As for your innuendo that my claims of service are not truthful I would remind you that claiming to be a range guru and internet expert is without consequences..... Stolen Valor is a crime. My service and experience is well documented. |
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Glock wouldn't be the first company to have bad batches of parts. How indicative of the norm one person's experience is versus another is hard to gauge. All we can do is take each other at face value and choose what to do or not do with the information. Questioning the validity of someone's claims ultimately gets us nowhere. There is a degree of faith required here.
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And what innuendo? I never said one thing about your service, and I couldnt care less about what you do or did (so far Im far from impressed in how you handle yourself here). Why? Should I be suspect of your claims? And where did the range guru and internet expert thing come from? Im far from either, but I do shoot a lot, and have a pretty broad experience with a lot of things. All I said was I never saw the rust you said we should expect, and its from personal daily experience with them over a number of decades, and/or from others I know, and I/we havent seen any rusting issues you claim happen, and apparently, overnight. Not saying things dont happen, just I havent seen the instant rust you claim. Havent seen it long term either. The more you go on, I just have to ask. You sure sound like someone else from another site I visit. You dont go by Dusty Bones elsewhere, do you? Same flavor of boasts (service related and otherwise), attacks, and diversions to direct questions, and the same lack of comprehension and running off subject, usually trying to deflect things away from you. Hes supposedly some sort of tough guy Army dude too, although he cant keep his number of tours straight, and has all sorts of distractions when questioned by those who do have the credentials. If not, nevermind, but you sure feel like that guy. Or is that just something they teach in SOG as a tactical diversion so you can break contact? |
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BTW...the "instant" rust is your own creation and fantasy. Got nothing for you on that one. Last edited by davidsog; June 25, 2019 at 05:59 PM. |
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So for those of us who practice on our own dime, and shoot more than most of those in the average military in their careers, in just a few weeks, and probably more than most of you better than types most years, we are somehow less than capable than you? Im sure you feel that way, but theres only one way to tell, and we know that aint never gonna happen. Im more than willing to shoot with/against anyone, for fun and profit. Had my ass waxed more than a few times too, but Ive also done OK more often than not. You are only as good as you are in the moment, no matter what you think you are. If you cant do it on paper, on demand, how are you going to do it any other way? Ive had a good bit of experience over the years with a lot of former military, who told me how expert they are, but must have forgotten everything once they were out, because many of them had trouble trying to hit things, my 10 year old kids were tearing up, and they had a lot of trouble shooting/operating things, they should have had no problems with. Or so they said. But what do I know, my Glocks dont rust. Most of your responses. Nice pics. So what? Are we supposed to be impressed? Quote:
As far as the instant rust, youre the one who keeps acting like they rust right away if you dont oil them. All of mine must have never got the memo. I guess Ill have to have a talk with them. Again, Im not saying they cant or dont rust, simply mine, and those of others I personally know, who have had them in conditions that would normally rust other things very quickly, didnt have the problem. So obviously, we seem to have had different experiences. Youll be the first to know if I do happen to run into it though, OK? |
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