The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Handguns: The Semi-automatic Forum

View Poll Results: Would you buy an LCP II in .32?
Yes 25 30.49%
No 57 69.51%
Voters: 82. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old June 15, 2018, 01:12 PM   #51
gnystrom
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 30, 2006
Posts: 113
I completely disagree with many here who believe the LCP is junk. I have both the LCP and the LCP II and both these guns are reliable and accurate. I shoot mine on a regular basis with both factory and my handloads. Practice with these little guns is required but once one develops the skills they may find one in their back pocket wallet holster far more often than they ever thought
gnystrom is offline  
Old June 15, 2018, 02:34 PM   #52
Onward Allusion
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 17, 2009
Location: IN
Posts: 2,506
Quote:
HighValleyRanch
Has anyone chronographed some loads out of their K32?
I'm interested to see how it compared to my results with my Seecamp.
Here's a link to the poor man's Seecamp and ballistics . . . It's actually quite extensive.

https://northamericanarms.com/ballistics/ball-32acp/
__________________
"You haven't lived until you've died." - various
People . . . not a big fan . . .
Onward Allusion is offline  
Old June 15, 2018, 03:31 PM   #53
HighValleyRanch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 15, 2005
Posts: 2,818
Thanks for the link. Very informative.
Here's what I got for my seecamp one day in March:
Just chronographed a couple of loads today through the seecamp.
Gold dots were mild at 924 fps with 60 grain hollowpoints yielding 114 foot pounds ME.
But the Winchester FMJ 71 grains flat nose were just a wee bit hotter at 1028 and 995 for around 155 foot pounds ME. Probably what I should carry, and forget about expansion from the Speer gold dots.
NOTE: The current Winchester FMJ are flat nose not round nose FMJ. I believe that's why they will work with the Seecamp that requires a smaller OAL.
__________________
From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail"
HighValleyRanch is offline  
Old June 15, 2018, 04:09 PM   #54
Rangerrich99
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 20, 2014
Location: Kinda near Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 872
I voted "no."

Skipping the sub-par ballistics of the .32 auto, the LCP I or II IMO should not be a primary carry weapon. For most people, the LCP is too small to get a good grip on to shoot quickly and accurately, especially one-handed. It's sights are too small to acquire quickly under stress. It's magwell is too tiny to facilitate quick reloads if necessary. I carry mine in a Nemesis holster, and even then it's danged slow to draw and get into action. The LCP I trigger can be mastered to shoot acceptable groups, but try it one-handed and on the move; my results aren't acceptable for my standards. Chambering the thing in .32 auto probably isn't going to help much.

In short, the LCP in any caliber is actually just a back-up gun, realistically limited to contact distances, say 0-5 yards. Even then, I'm probably going to end up throwing the thing at the attacker when its empty and going for my knife.
Rangerrich99 is offline  
Old June 15, 2018, 07:21 PM   #55
JERRYS.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 23, 2013
Location: Alabama
Posts: 1,778
HighValleyRanch, here ya go. http://www.geocities.ws/goldenloki2/gel.html
JERRYS. is offline  
Old June 16, 2018, 05:01 PM   #56
kenny53
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 30, 2015
Location: My back yard
Posts: 369
http://www.ballistics101.com/380_acp.phphttp

www.ballistics101.com/32_acp.php

Hope these links work.
kenny53 is offline  
Old June 16, 2018, 05:02 PM   #57
kenny53
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 30, 2015
Location: My back yard
Posts: 369
http://www.ballistics101.com/380_acp.php
kenny53 is offline  
Old June 16, 2018, 05:29 PM   #58
HighValleyRanch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 15, 2005
Posts: 2,818
Meaningless unless you have an idea of what gun is being used for the tests and barrel length?
__________________
From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail"
HighValleyRanch is offline  
Old June 16, 2018, 05:42 PM   #59
MTT TL
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 21, 2009
Location: Quadling Country
Posts: 2,042
agreed:

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/380auto.html

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/32auto.html

So out of a 3" barrel the 380 averages 85% more energy at the muzzle in common loadings.
__________________
Proxima est Mors, Malum Nullum adhibit Misericordiam

Last edited by MTT TL; June 16, 2018 at 07:00 PM.
MTT TL is offline  
Old June 16, 2018, 06:51 PM   #60
HighValleyRanch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 15, 2005
Posts: 2,818
^^^^^
and this is why one needs to chrongraph their own particular guns.
I got 980 fps plus with the 71 grain winchester from my seecamp as oppose to their 782.
But it's interesting that when I chrongraphed the Buffalobore loads, they were almost identical to what was stated on the website.
I'm at 2500 feet elevation, so not sure if that makes any difference in the FPS.

I like Buffalobore website because they use real guns to test and give you the stats from the various guns. You can see from their website that a 3" barrel can greatly vary from firearm to firearm. Ballistics by the inch doesn't say what guns they are using. I consider their information not as the "end all", but just another general comparison from which to estimate.
__________________
From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail"

Last edited by HighValleyRanch; June 17, 2018 at 07:54 AM.
HighValleyRanch is offline  
Old June 16, 2018, 07:03 PM   #61
Model12Win
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 20, 2012
Posts: 5,404
Mine "done busted" so probably not.
Model12Win is online now  
Old June 17, 2018, 03:54 AM   #62
Carl the Floor Walker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 3, 2017
Posts: 213
Quote:
Originally Posted by seeker_two View Post
I'd buy one. When the Beretta Pico was introduced at the 2013 NRA Convention, Beretta said it would come in .32 ACP & .380 ACP. I really wanted one in .32, but it never happened. I still want a .32 in the .380 frame.

Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk
[B]

The Pico was advertised to come out in 32 cal. However, that has not happened. Many of the Pico owners, myself included feel it will not happen. Why? Because the pistol is one of the most mild mannered Pocket guns made. A gun that is easy to shoot plus P or hot ammo, and a gun that is easy to shoot all day if you wanted.
To shoot 32.cal in this gun would not be much of a advantage. The Stainless steel build handles the pressures of the 380 extremely well and maybe not necessary for the 32cal. Other than the fact that the gun would last a lifetime.

The Ruger on the other hand would do well to shoot the 32. In fact the aluminum chassis, the high recoil and extreme snap, the 32. would actually be the right choice for the gun. The gun would last longer, be more enjoyable to shoot.
As far as 32. here is a great review of the caliber by Pocket Guns and Gear, Mouse gun Addict.

.32 ACP Terminal Tests

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/p/ammo-tests.html

Last edited by Carl the Floor Walker; June 17, 2018 at 04:10 AM.
Carl the Floor Walker is offline  
Old Yesterday, 09:21 AM   #63
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 39,691
Have to say no, probably not.

Not because I don't like the .32s... I actually LOVE the .32s, both semis and revolvers, I'm just not at all crazy about how the LCP fits my hand.


Chamber an LC 9/380 size pistol, which has a larger grip length, in .32 and I'd likely be all over it.
__________________
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza

Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old Yesterday, 12:29 PM   #64
HighValleyRanch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 15, 2005
Posts: 2,818
I just found an old video of mine testing my brother's LCP at the range.
We were chronographing some 90 grain jhp Buffalo Bore .380 +P out of his LCP.
We got 1041, 1050, 1040 fps equalling 220 foot pounds ME.
Nice and consistent, recoil was fine, no malfunctions.
__________________
From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail"
HighValleyRanch is offline  
Old Yesterday, 01:00 PM   #65
Carl the Floor Walker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 3, 2017
Posts: 213
I would NOT in any way recommend anyone to shoot Plus P or any high pressure ammo out of a Ruger LCP. They are not built to do so.

Here is a very interesting review of different 32.cal defense loads. Be sure and Check out the Fiocchi. The test are done by Pocket guns and Gear/mouse gun addict which is one of my favorites.
And by the way, one of the Guns used to test was the KELTEC P32

The test may surprise you.

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2...2-auto-60.html
Carl the Floor Walker is offline  
Old Yesterday, 07:54 PM   #66
lee n. field
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 12, 2002
Location: The same state as Mordor.
Posts: 4,967
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the Floor Walker View Post
I would NOT in any way recommend anyone to shoot Plus P or any high pressure ammo out of a Ruger LCP. They are not built to do so.
Mighty thin chamber wall.
__________________
"As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. "
lee n. field is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:27 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2018 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.06663 seconds with 10 queries