17 rem.

bill1093 · May 22, 2009, 03:08 PM

i just bought a custom 17 rem. im the second owner, an i made test loads for it shot 8 times 4 times the bullet tumbled.i check bullet weight, seding dept, aol, rechecked powder weight, so far everything fine...i ask the guy i bought from an he shot match bullets ,i dont have those....if anyone has any idea i would greatly appriate it ......25 grain hornady,,1-9 twist

bill1093 · May 22, 2009, 07:39 PM

i just taked to shrp shooter supply an fred told me that carbon could be causeing the bullet tumbling, so i will clean the bore.

Scorch · May 23, 2009, 01:40 AM

Also try a copper remover solvent like Shooters Choice.

oldcspsarge · May 23, 2009, 09:27 AM

I have been a .17 Rem shooter for over 30 years. They are VERY unforgiving when it comes to copper fouling. You MUST clean the barrel with a good powder solvent...and when it is clean, go in with a copper solvent and get the copper out. Due to the small bore, they foul up fast.

They are very accurate, drive bullets @ 4000+ FPS and are good for prairie dogs to coyotes.

If going out to do a bunch of shooting, you must take cleaning gear along.
After cleaning, running some JB Bore cleaner thru about 100 passes may help lap the bore in to copper foul less.

Enjoy...it is a fun caliber !

bill1093 · May 23, 2009, 08:51 PM

hey guys thanks for the info .. i working on cleaning as we speak so hopefully thats the fix..bill

bill1093 · May 24, 2009, 05:45 PM

well guys, i cleaned the gun.i shot some 25 grain of varget it shot ok , but still had a little pressure problems. so we back it off .5 grain (24.5) an it tumble every shot...im open to more opinions thx . bill

Dave R · May 24, 2009, 09:08 PM

How does the bore look?

I have been shooting a .17 wildcat for 8 years, and one thing that concerns me is the lands on .17's are very shallow. Like .0002 or something tiny. That's why they're sensitive to copper or powder fouling. It doesn't take much to turn it into a smoothbore.

That said, if it is cleaned too agressively, I would think it would be easy to wear down the lands, so it becomes a permanent smoothbore.

So do the lands look OK? Can you see distinct rifling?

I would hate to think the seller sold it because the bore was shot out, but I suppose that is one possibility.

(With regards to cleaning a .17, I recommend a foaming bore cleaner. No scrubbing, and they're real good at removing copper.)

bill1093 · May 25, 2009, 05:32 PM

just update second try. we cleaned the barrel with a carbon remover. an loaded up some 30 grain berger. 23.5 grain varget. little windy but the bullet didnt tumble. an group wasnt to bad.

Dave R · May 25, 2009, 05:34 PM

Sounds good! If you're getting good groups on a windy day, wait 'till you try it on a still day.

bill1093 · May 30, 2009, 12:42 PM

well this another update. i lowerd the powder to 23 gr.varget, an know im blowing priemiers. i scrub the barrel with gm top engine cleaner an if that dont help i give up.just to update again still having pressure problems-so i took it to sharp shooter supply, an fres took one of his loads for savage 17 rem shot it NO pressure prblem. so we sccratched our head. we figure what i was loading wasnt varget but it came out of a new can.so we tryed scotts 22.5 grain 4065 same thing pressure.some much pressure it blowing the extractor out of the gun an swelling the case up an making hard to get out..so if anyone can help me.man it would be great. or call me at 419-692-1093 ask for bill .....thx guys

bill1093 · May 30, 2009, 08:54 PM

btt

Dave R · May 30, 2009, 09:23 PM

According to Hodgdon's website, you are still OVER the max for Varget with a 30gr. Berger. They show starting load of 20gr Varget, max of 22.5. You're at 23. No wonder you're getting pressure signs.

You can go up to 24.5 gr. Varget for a 25 gr. bullet, but when you go to a 30gr. bullet, you have to back off the powder charge. As your bullet gets heavier, the powder charge has to come down. Heavier bullet has more inertia, and often more friction in the bore, so it can't take as big a powder charge as a lighter bullet can. The profile of the bullet can affect how much powder charge, too. More "bearing surface" means more friction, means less powder.

At any rate, you're over the max. Go to Hodgdon.com for more details.

Shoney · May 31, 2009, 01:36 AM

According to barrel makers Lilja and Shilen, the 9 twist is good for 30gr and up. The 25gr will shoot but as the barrel quickly fouls with them, you only get a few shots before they keyhole.

Where did you get the load data for 23.5gr Varget?
What OAL are you using?

bill1093 · May 31, 2009, 06:28 AM

sharp shooter supply. shoots that in his 17 rem it has same barrel ,same twist , everthing the same.these 2 guns where built at the same time, he build thwm as a pair.

Death from Afar · June 1, 2009, 09:44 PM

Great caliber. Also, make sure you trim religously. IT is very unforgiving of overlength cases.

impalacustom · June 2, 2009, 03:18 AM

Chambers are different for every gun, what works in one might not work in another, even if it was built 5 minutes after the first one. You need to start low and work up, not start high and work down. The small calibers build pressure really fast and are finicky.

six 4 sure · June 3, 2009, 02:42 PM

Rem 7.5 Primer
22.4 gr of Re-15
25 gr Berger Match bullet
2.150 OAL

That load has worked so well for me I haven't bothered trying anything else. It works quite well in both my custom bolt gun and AR. Both of which sport 1-10 pac-nor's.

May 22, 2009, 03:08 PM	#1
bill1093 Member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: northwest ohio Posts: 25	17 rem. i just bought a custom 17 rem. im the second owner, an i made test loads for it shot 8 times 4 times the bullet tumbled.i check bullet weight, seding dept, aol, rechecked powder weight, so far everything fine...i ask the guy i bought from an he shot match bullets ,i dont have those....if anyone has any idea i would greatly appriate it ......25 grain hornady,,1-9 twist Last edited by bill1093; May 22, 2009 at 03:12 PM. Reason: forgot to add bullet weight an twist.

May 22, 2009, 07:39 PM	#2
bill1093 Member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: northwest ohio Posts: 25	17 rem i just taked to shrp shooter supply an fred told me that carbon could be causeing the bullet tumbling, so i will clean the bore.

May 23, 2009, 01:40 AM	#3
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	Also try a copper remover solvent like Shooters Choice. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

May 23, 2009, 08:51 PM	#5
bill1093 Member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: northwest ohio Posts: 25	17 rem hey guys thanks for the info .. i working on cleaning as we speak so hopefully thats the fix..bill

May 24, 2009, 05:45 PM	#6
bill1093 Member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: northwest ohio Posts: 25	17 rem well guys, i cleaned the gun.i shot some 25 grain of varget it shot ok , but still had a little pressure problems. so we back it off .5 grain (24.5) an it tumble every shot...im open to more opinions thx . bill

May 23, 2009, 09:27 AM	#4
oldcspsarge Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2008 Location: Rocky Mountains Posts: 441	I have been a .17 Rem shooter for over 30 years. They are VERY unforgiving when it comes to copper fouling. You MUST clean the barrel with a good powder solvent...and when it is clean, go in with a copper solvent and get the copper out. Due to the small bore, they foul up fast. They are very accurate, drive bullets @ 4000+ FPS and are good for prairie dogs to coyotes. If going out to do a bunch of shooting, you must take cleaning gear along. After cleaning, running some JB Bore cleaner thru about 100 passes may help lap the bore in to copper foul less. Enjoy...it is a fun caliber !

May 24, 2009, 09:08 PM	#7
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	How does the bore look? I have been shooting a .17 wildcat for 8 years, and one thing that concerns me is the lands on .17's are very shallow. Like .0002 or something tiny. That's why they're sensitive to copper or powder fouling. It doesn't take much to turn it into a smoothbore. That said, if it is cleaned too agressively, I would think it would be easy to wear down the lands, so it becomes a permanent smoothbore. So do the lands look OK? Can you see distinct rifling? I would hate to think the seller sold it because the bore was shot out, but I suppose that is one possibility. (With regards to cleaning a .17, I recommend a foaming bore cleaner. No scrubbing, and they're real good at removing copper.) __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

May 25, 2009, 05:32 PM	#8
bill1093 Member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: northwest ohio Posts: 25	17 rem. just update second try. we cleaned the barrel with a carbon remover. an loaded up some 30 grain berger. 23.5 grain varget. little windy but the bullet didnt tumble. an group wasnt to bad.

May 25, 2009, 05:34 PM	#9
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	Sounds good! If you're getting good groups on a windy day, wait 'till you try it on a still day. __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

May 30, 2009, 12:42 PM	#10
bill1093 Member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: northwest ohio Posts: 25	17 rem. well this another update. i lowerd the powder to 23 gr.varget, an know im blowing priemiers. i scrub the barrel with gm top engine cleaner an if that dont help i give up.just to update again still having pressure problems-so i took it to sharp shooter supply, an fres took one of his loads for savage 17 rem shot it NO pressure prblem. so we sccratched our head. we figure what i was loading wasnt varget but it came out of a new can.so we tryed scotts 22.5 grain 4065 same thing pressure.some much pressure it blowing the extractor out of the gun an swelling the case up an making hard to get out..so if anyone can help me.man it would be great. or call me at 419-692-1093 ask for bill .....thx guys Last edited by bill1093; May 30, 2009 at 08:45 PM.

May 30, 2009, 08:54 PM	#11
bill1093 Member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: northwest ohio Posts: 25	17 rem btt

May 30, 2009, 09:23 PM	#12
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	According to Hodgdon's website, you are still OVER the max for Varget with a 30gr. Berger. They show starting load of 20gr Varget, max of 22.5. You're at 23. No wonder you're getting pressure signs. You can go up to 24.5 gr. Varget for a 25 gr. bullet, but when you go to a 30gr. bullet, you have to back off the powder charge. As your bullet gets heavier, the powder charge has to come down. Heavier bullet has more inertia, and often more friction in the bore, so it can't take as big a powder charge as a lighter bullet can. The profile of the bullet can affect how much powder charge, too. More "bearing surface" means more friction, means less powder. At any rate, you're over the max. Go to Hodgdon.com for more details. __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

May 31, 2009, 01:36 AM	#13
Shoney Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2002 Location: Transplanted from Montana Posts: 2,311	According to barrel makers Lilja and Shilen, the 9 twist is good for 30gr and up. The 25gr will shoot but as the barrel quickly fouls with them, you only get a few shots before they keyhole. Where did you get the load data for 23.5gr Varget? What OAL are you using? __________________ I pledge allegiance to the Flag - - -, and to the Republic for which it stands….Our Forefathers were brilliant for giving us a Republic, not a democracy! Do you know the difference??? and WHY?http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...les.asp?id=111

May 31, 2009, 06:28 AM	#14
bill1093 Member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: northwest ohio Posts: 25	17 rem sharp shooter supply. shoots that in his 17 rem it has same barrel ,same twist , everthing the same.these 2 guns where built at the same time, he build thwm as a pair.

June 1, 2009, 09:44 PM	#15
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	Great caliber. Also, make sure you trim religously. IT is very unforgiving of overlength cases. __________________ "Beware of the Man with one gun...he probably isnt into guns enough to be safe with it".

June 2, 2009, 03:18 AM	#16
impalacustom Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2009 Posts: 492	Chambers are different for every gun, what works in one might not work in another, even if it was built 5 minutes after the first one. You need to start low and work up, not start high and work down. The small calibers build pressure really fast and are finicky.

June 3, 2009, 02:42 PM	#17
six 4 sure Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 1999 Location: Harrisburg, IL Posts: 294	Rem 7.5 Primer 22.4 gr of Re-15 25 gr Berger Match bullet 2.150 OAL That load has worked so well for me I haven't bothered trying anything else. It works quite well in both my custom bolt gun and AR. Both of which sport 1-10 pac-nor's.