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April 30, 2018, 05:34 PM | #26 | |
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Some scoff at the notion, but a BX-25 equipped 10/22 loaded with quality CCI loads would be NO FUN to face down and has nearly 0 recoil and low noise. Would be effective and even fun for her to train with. A 9mm carbine might also be an even better choice if she can handle it. The Beretta Cx4 Storm is a proven reliable gun in service with a surprising number of Police departments and similar entities around the world. The new Ruger 9mm carbine also shows promise. |
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April 30, 2018, 08:24 PM | #27 |
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The Keltec Sub 2000 is also a wonderful little carbine.
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May 1, 2018, 07:01 AM | #28 |
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Keltec and Hi Point carbines have awfully beefy springs. Might be difficult for her to operate.
I haven't handled the Ruger, so I don't know if it's any better. |
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May 1, 2018, 08:16 AM | #30 | |
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A panic alarm around the neck, good locks and a dog is a better suggestion for an elderly person who won't invest the time to practice and become proficient. |
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May 1, 2018, 09:15 AM | #31 |
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Reading this thread, I wonder how many folks who recommend a pump shotgun in 12 gauge have taken a self-defense course with that sort of gun that requires movement and follow-up shots. Or shot a tactical type match with one. Or a FOF exercise that encompassed movement, more than one shot, holding the gun while manipulating other things.
I know we aren't considering handguns here but sometimes the shotgun recommendation is more a cliche driven suggestion than a practical one. Watching folks jam up a pump from a stroking error (not that I would ever do that under stress makes me not sanguine about the suggestion.
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May 1, 2018, 10:22 AM | #32 | |
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Most highly skilled multi-platform shooters suggest the AR15 platform by a pretty decent margin where concealment of the weapon is not an issue. With the surge in PCCs, that is a the space many are starting to suggest as well. After that, it becomes one of evaluating strength, proficiency, environment. I have had folks from 6 to 86 on the AR15 platform do extremely well with it, better than any other platform. Only downside is noise levels inside the house. |
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May 1, 2018, 11:47 AM | #33 | |
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A 7 inch 9mm AR is super fast to swing around and get onto a second target, much faster than a 16 inch Hi Point, Sub 2000, Ruger PC9, Cx4, etc. Those manufacturers need to get on the ball and start offering factory braced pistol version of their carbines or their gonna lose money. As for the shotgun, if one connects with the target and doesn't dork up the pumping, it's still the most effective short range gun available. The problem is that shotguns can be unwieldy for small/old/weak people, high recoil, low capacity, more susceptible to improper operation causing malfunctions... unless you are an expert a lot can go wrong with a pump action shotgun and semi-auto shotguns can be unreliable. I would say if a semi auto is reliable, one is better off with that, but even then, the other issues that plague shotguns as home defense guns for unskilled people still remain. I only have one shotgun, it's an over/under, I get two shots with it before I have to go to something else and personally, I'd rather buy rifles or handguns that hold more rounds and are things I can test handloads with at the range for entertainment. Shotguns are both niche and cliche guns for home defense. I think too much of the mentality surrounding shotguns comes from movies where people getting shot with a shotgun magically fly backwards because it's so powerful...
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May 2, 2018, 03:05 AM | #34 | |
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(I was curious about that also- so I googled it) https://durhamso.permitium.com/ " It is within the Sheriff's discretion to deny or approve pistol purchase permits." Sounds like a hold over from the old days (Jim Crow law)... |
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May 2, 2018, 05:58 AM | #35 |
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Probably but round for round, it is hard to beat the power of a shot of 12 Gauge 00 Buckshot
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May 2, 2018, 06:38 AM | #36 | |
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http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/32344299...-gun-Laws.aspx It might help if the OP took a look at pp 7/8 and outlined what the impediment was to owning a handgun. |
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May 2, 2018, 12:21 PM | #37 |
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Why not a M1 carbine???
Butt-stock ouch hold two fifteen count magazines, easy to manipulate.
Soft-nose / HP ammo, is more common. easy recoil. |
May 2, 2018, 02:31 PM | #38 |
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$1000 carbines, pistol-grip shotguns, quasi-legal stocks on pistols- do you guys think before you write?
An ill 67 year old woman is probably not going to be able to use or buy any of those. |
May 2, 2018, 05:21 PM | #39 |
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Take her to a gun store with a range and rental guns and let a professional help her chose what she wants, but if she doesn't have a dog I like the suggestion.
Don't get hung up on the word "purchase". NC law requires the permit "before purchasing or receiving." http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/32344299...-gun-Laws.aspx |
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I think it is a good point to know why she was refused a handgun permit.
If the OP doesn't want to share (and I can understand that), let's stop throwing out all kinds of guns that probably haven't been tested for their ergonomics with older women.
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The new Ruger pistol caliber carbine, especially with the Glock adapter and a 33 round mag of 9mm should be worth a serious look
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So, I say - let's stop throwing out guns and we get a suggestion already made.
Sigh. Let's wait until we get some clarification as we've mentioned every reasonable gun.
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The lady is in poor health and we don't know what she is or is not able to do. Someone needs to take some of the suggested guns (whether owned or borrowed) to the lady and she if she can operate them by herself. My son-in-law's father saw a Taurus PT111 my son-in-law had recently bought and said he would like to buy one for himself. However, he is 81 with arthritis and he was unable to move the slide enough operate the pistol. He also cannot operate a revolver (he has several).
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Look troops, I'm not going to recommend any weapon (much less supply one) to
someone who has been denied... w/o having any idea of why she was denied. If the OP will hint at that disqualifier, it might greatly assist in running this topic to ground. http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/32344299...n-Laws.aspx(pp 7/8 again) |
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Yeah, I'm going to call this and close it. If the OP wants to PM me with more info, we can reopen it.
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