Trap and Skeet - Page 2

darkgael · January 9, 2012, 01:09 PM

Quote:

a longer barrel puts your muzzle a little closer to the target.

And there have been times when I needed those six inches.
Pete

olddrum1 · January 9, 2012, 11:01 PM

816-421-1400
Give that number a call, they might be able to assit you. Some American arms I believe used the same choke as Tristar and also possibly Fausti chokes. The above number is Tristars and they have some sharp cookies there that might be of assistance.
Z, My friend, you going into the sandwich business with all that Baloney.
Charlie

zippy13 · January 10, 2012, 03:12 AM

Z, My friend, you going into the sandwich business with all that Baloney.

Hi Charlie, old pal, I hope you're doing well. I probably overacted, but some of the same bunk seems to keep going around, and the Baloney remark seemed appropriate. What jrothWA was telling was the same stuff I heard back in the 60s and early 70s -- he probably heard it then, too.

Back then there was the belief that you needed a quick light gun to get on Skeet targets. It made sense to me, too. To a new shooter it seemed logical because those targets looked pretty fast. The thing was, we were hearing that advice from skeeters with just a little more experience than us. The fallacy is that a "quick" light gun will get off the bird just as quickly as it gets on.

If you know what to look for, you can see it happen at almost any skeet field: The shooter holds close to the house, he see the bird, swings like lightning, gets his lead, pulls the trigger and the target keeps going unscathed. He looks around to his squad mates with a mystified expression on his face -- what happened? Very simply, he blocked out the target and lost sight of his prize. His hold point had been well below the path of the bird. As he jerked his gun towards the target, it came up at an angle and went right above the path of the target. This resulted in the shooter involuntarily raising his head to reacquire the target. What he didn't realize, with his head raised, he's gonna shoot high. To him, the lead looked perfect, but the bird didn't break -- no wonder he has an amazed look on his face. To add to his lost targets, at the end of the day his cheek was tender because he got whacked every time he raised his face. Hopefully he'll eventually learn the Golden Rule of Skeet: Head down and follow through.

Over time, the Skeet community learned that we could get higher scores with a gun with a little longer barrel. The heavier gun had a smoother swing and, as a bonus, it ate up a pinch of recoil. With a lot of Skeet trigger time, you'll learn that the bird isn't really that fast and don't you need to get on it as quick as lightning. A smooth swing is more important than a quick swing.

Cheers, Pete

jrothWA · January 10, 2012, 12:24 PM

for enjoyment not trying to be a "Champion. There is a difference.

I don't spend money uselessly.

You use "pull thru" on SKEET from the mounted position, I use the "below belt" as originally designate and allow the puller scorer to have fun with a three second delay, (if other shooter will allow).

So enjoy you sandwiches! I___T!

zippy13 · January 10, 2012, 02:16 PM

I learn it porperly ..
for enjoyment not trying to be a "Champion. There is a difference.

That's like saying: I go bowling to have fun, not to knock down pins. For me, the enjoyment comes from trying to shoot the best I can and succeeding. Most of us go after clays to break as many as possible, there's not a whole lot of enjoyment just shooting holes in the sky.

You use "pull thru" on SKEET from the mounted position...

"Swing through" and "pull ahead" are two different lead techniques, are you trying to combine them? Most experienced Skeet shooters eventually learn to use another type of lead: "sustained"

I use the "below belt" as originally designate and allow the puller scorer to have fun with a three second delay, (if other shooter will allow).

I've seen a few shooters do the same thing. They use the low gun as an excuse for their dismal mounted-gun scores. It may impress the newbies; but, to regular shooters, a low gunner on the squad is just a nuisance. International (low gun) Skeet uses a different sequence and faster targets -- it's a different game from what's commonly called Skeet. Real low gun shooters avoid a standard set field because it's too slow and messes up their timing.

Giving new shooters advice that hinders their progress is a disservice. I've seen too many promising new shooters turned away in frustration because of the baloney they were fed.

oneounceload · January 10, 2012, 03:14 PM

Quote:

I use the "below belt" as originally designate and allow the puller scorer to have fun with a three second delay, (if other shooter will allow).

IF you shoot International skeet, that is fine - but for new American skeet shooters, it does not give them the best chance at success.

The "deli-meister's" advice is well wroth heeding to be successful in skeet...

olddrum1 · January 11, 2012, 12:52 AM

Z, my friend, I apologize for stirring up so much discontent over the mention of sandwichs. As always, excellent and well informed observations.

zippy13 · January 11, 2012, 02:58 PM

Not to worry, Charlie

ZIPPY's DELI
SORRY, NO BALONEY TODAY

.300 Weatherby Mag · January 11, 2012, 03:20 PM

Its a lot more fun to hit all the targets.....

lockinload · January 11, 2012, 05:00 PM

Quite a bit of misinformation here regarding skeet. Skeet guns are normally 28" in barrel length. The center stake is 63 ft from every station. There is no specific speed at which the targets have to travel but 45mph would be a good average. Using a load producing 1200 fps, the lead is approx 3.8 ft regardless of which station you are shooting from. Most shooters will use a wide open choke to maximize spread and really at that distance there would be no need for a tighter choke unless it was used for training purposes.

olddrum1 · January 12, 2012, 02:23 PM

Apologize for being uninformed and new at this skeet business, wondering how far from station eight is the Center Stake (Crossing point)?

zippy13 · January 12, 2012, 03:28 PM

Charlie, the center of Station 8 is 18-feet behind the center stake (the target crossing point). It's from the center stake that the arc of the shooting stations is based.

SWAMPUS · January 12, 2012, 10:57 PM

Mitchntx,grats on new gun.If it fits you done good as that's the most imp thing .Doesn't fit,you won't hit much whether you shoot trap or skeet ,28.3' or 12' from stakes,shoot high,low, or inbetween.Now go and have fun!Kill some clay pidgeons.Remember,If you hit 12 out of 25 you've done the same as limiting out in a dove field.

January 10, 2012, 12:24 PM	#29
jrothWA Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2006 Posts: 2,519	I learn it porperly .. for enjoyment not trying to be a "Champion. There is a difference. I don't spend money uselessly. You use "pull thru" on SKEET from the mounted position, I use the "below belt" as originally designate and allow the puller scorer to have fun with a three second delay, (if other shooter will allow). So enjoy you sandwiches! I___T!

January 10, 2012, 02:16 PM	#30
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	I learn it porperly .. for enjoyment not trying to be a "Champion. There is a difference. That's like saying: I go bowling to have fun, not to knock down pins. For me, the enjoyment comes from trying to shoot the best I can and succeeding. Most of us go after clays to break as many as possible, there's not a whole lot of enjoyment just shooting holes in the sky. You use "pull thru" on SKEET from the mounted position... "Swing through" and "pull ahead" are two different lead techniques, are you trying to combine them? Most experienced Skeet shooters eventually learn to use another type of lead: "sustained" I use the "below belt" as originally designate and allow the puller scorer to have fun with a three second delay, (if other shooter will allow). I've seen a few shooters do the same thing. They use the low gun as an excuse for their dismal mounted-gun scores. It may impress the newbies; but, to regular shooters, a low gunner on the squad is just a nuisance. International (low gun) Skeet uses a different sequence and faster targets -- it's a different game from what's commonly called Skeet. Real low gun shooters avoid a standard set field because it's too slow and messes up their timing. Giving new shooters advice that hinders their progress is a disservice. I've seen too many promising new shooters turned away in frustration because of the baloney they were fed.

January 12, 2012, 10:57 PM	#38
SWAMPUS Junior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: FLA.PANHANDLE Posts: 8	Congrats Mitchntx,grats on new gun.If it fits you done good as that's the most imp thing .Doesn't fit,you won't hit much whether you shoot trap or skeet ,28.3' or 12' from stakes,shoot high,low, or inbetween.Now go and have fun!Kill some clay pidgeons.Remember,If you hit 12 out of 25 you've done the same as limiting out in a dove field.

January 9, 2012, 11:01 PM	#27
olddrum1 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 807	816-421-1400 Give that number a call, they might be able to assit you. Some American arms I believe used the same choke as Tristar and also possibly Fausti chokes. The above number is Tristars and they have some sharp cookies there that might be of assistance. Z, My friend, you going into the sandwich business with all that Baloney. Charlie

January 10, 2012, 03:12 AM	#28
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Z, My friend, you going into the sandwich business with all that Baloney. Hi Charlie, old pal, I hope you're doing well. I probably overacted, but some of the same bunk seems to keep going around, and the Baloney remark seemed appropriate. What jrothWA was telling was the same stuff I heard back in the 60s and early 70s -- he probably heard it then, too. Back then there was the belief that you needed a quick light gun to get on Skeet targets. It made sense to me, too. To a new shooter it seemed logical because those targets looked pretty fast. The thing was, we were hearing that advice from skeeters with just a little more experience than us. The fallacy is that a "quick" light gun will get off the bird just as quickly as it gets on. If you know what to look for, you can see it happen at almost any skeet field: The shooter holds close to the house, he see the bird, swings like lightning, gets his lead, pulls the trigger and the target keeps going unscathed. He looks around to his squad mates with a mystified expression on his face -- what happened? Very simply, he blocked out the target and lost sight of his prize. His hold point had been well below the path of the bird. As he jerked his gun towards the target, it came up at an angle and went right above the path of the target. This resulted in the shooter involuntarily raising his head to reacquire the target. What he didn't realize, with his head raised, he's gonna shoot high. To him, the lead looked perfect, but the bird didn't break -- no wonder he has an amazed look on his face. To add to his lost targets, at the end of the day his cheek was tender because he got whacked every time he raised his face. Hopefully he'll eventually learn the Golden Rule of Skeet: Head down and follow through. Over time, the Skeet community learned that we could get higher scores with a gun with a little longer barrel. The heavier gun had a smoother swing and, as a bonus, it ate up a pinch of recoil. With a lot of Skeet trigger time, you'll learn that the bird isn't really that fast and don't you need to get on it as quick as lightning. A smooth swing is more important than a quick swing. Cheers, Pete

January 11, 2012, 12:52 AM	#32
olddrum1 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 807	Z, my friend, I apologize for stirring up so much discontent over the mention of sandwichs. As always, excellent and well informed observations.

January 11, 2012, 02:58 PM	#33
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Not to worry, Charlie ZIPPY's DELI SORRY, NO BALONEY TODAY

January 11, 2012, 03:20 PM	#34
.300 Weatherby Mag Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2008 Posts: 1,777	Its a lot more fun to hit all the targets.....

January 11, 2012, 05:00 PM	#35
lockinload Member Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 91	Quite a bit of misinformation here regarding skeet. Skeet guns are normally 28" in barrel length. The center stake is 63 ft from every station. There is no specific speed at which the targets have to travel but 45mph would be a good average. Using a load producing 1200 fps, the lead is approx 3.8 ft regardless of which station you are shooting from. Most shooters will use a wide open choke to maximize spread and really at that distance there would be no need for a tighter choke unless it was used for training purposes.

January 12, 2012, 02:23 PM	#36
olddrum1 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 807	Apologize for being uninformed and new at this skeet business, wondering how far from station eight is the Center Stake (Crossing point)?

January 12, 2012, 03:28 PM	#37
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Charlie, the center of Station 8 is 18-feet behind the center stake (the target crossing point). It's from the center stake that the arc of the shooting stations is based.