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Old November 9, 2020, 02:14 PM   #1
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U.S Remington 1903

Hello all,
Trying to get more info on this U.S Remington 1903, serial number suggests 1942 production but I can not find any stock like this..
Top of barrel stamped H.S and under that- 11 44
Any info would be much appreciated!!
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Old November 9, 2020, 05:43 PM   #2
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Heavily sporterized. Stock may well be homemade, white inlays are definitely "folk art" maybe ivory.
The rear sight is a commercial Lyman, the barrel is a High Standard military replacement part. The safety is a short movement type known as a "scope safety" but more convenient to the thumb even with just the receiver sight.
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Old November 9, 2020, 06:13 PM   #3
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Post WW II to the 1970s sporterizing military arms was quite the cottage industry with some people being more skilled that others.

Cheekpiece poorly executed
Inletting for Lyman 48 very poorly done.
Bolt may have been bent, but needs more bending (IMO)
Nosecap was also poorly made.
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Old November 9, 2020, 08:46 PM   #4
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Wow, just wow......

I can't unsee that.
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Old November 9, 2020, 11:52 PM   #5
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The rear sight is on backwards, overall in the top three ugliest rifles I've ever seen
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Old November 10, 2020, 09:25 AM   #6
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Thank you!
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Old November 10, 2020, 01:39 PM   #7
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If it's accurate, it'll be fine as a hunting rifle. Who cares about appearance.

If it's not accurate, it'll be great for converting into hunting rifle.
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Old November 10, 2020, 04:05 PM   #8
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Value as a milsurp collectable, none.

value as a sporting rifle, ..some
today's market value...low...


style is style and one man's art is another's crap. Peep sight does appear to be on backwards, possibly put there because of the mag cutoff on the other side and "made to work".

I did better work when I was 15 with mausers, krags springfields and arisakas, a half century ago. though inlays were never my thing.

If you like the look, fine. If it shoots worth a damn, even better. IF not, its a fair start for a project gun.

Good luck, enjoy!
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Old November 11, 2020, 02:30 PM   #9
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Yep. Bubba has been at that one. Like Gary says, it'd make a good hunting rifle. Any collector value is already gone.
"...rear sight is on backwards..." Makes you wonder how that was done. Bolt doesn't look like it closes properly either.
Picture 108 shows the bolt to be an 'A4 bolt. You may want to check the headspace.
Gotta say you take a dandy picture. Even though 1,280px is too big.
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Old November 11, 2020, 08:23 PM   #10
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The rear sight is the base for a Lyman 48 and is NOT mounted backwards, it is where it belongs.
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Old November 12, 2020, 11:40 AM   #11
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"The rear sight is the base for a Lyman 48 and is NOT mounted backwards, it is where it belongs. "

Yep.

IIRC it was mounted on the right side of the 1903/1903-A3 rifles because of the magazine cutoff switch.
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Old November 12, 2020, 01:05 PM   #12
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Am no expert in peep sights, so if you say the base is right, tis right, but all the ones I remember seeing have the little knurled tube you look through on the side of the buttstock, not the front sight...so it looks backwards...
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The little knurled knob (lock bolt knob) you see on the front of the base is the lock nut to lock the windage/elevation slide which is missing from that base. In operation, you would loosen the lock bolt knob, make your adjustment with the elevation screw (which is not there) then tighten the knob.

If you wanted to make a major elevation adjustment or remove the windage/elevation slide from the sight you would again loosen the knob as far as possible and push in on the knob which is spring loaded (doing this disengages the elevation screw) and pull the dovetail slide up and out of the base.

Judging by the inletting in the stock that sight may have had a "long slide" which would have lots of elevation adjustment.

It is really a very nice micrometer sight and is capable of 1/4" @ 100yd. adjustments. I have seen them for sale recently for close to $200...
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Old November 13, 2020, 07:29 AM   #14
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This thread at Milsurp forum has some more pictures of a sporterized (nicely) 1903 with the Lyman 48 installed... on the right side of the action.

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=38443

IIRC the 48 was also intended to be mounted on the right side of the 1917 and the Remington Model 30, which was based on the 1917.
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Yep, you're looking at the slide lock nut, 44. That's not the aperture.

That one doesn't have an aperture installed, I don't think, essentially making it a ghost ring.

This thread on the CMP site has a good illustration of the Model 48.

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=190383
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Old November 13, 2020, 10:01 AM   #16
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I think it was a manufacturing setup convenience.
The blank sight base was oriented whichever way to fit the rifle of interest and the mounting surface machined to fit. Some guns got it on the left, some got it on the right, which flipped the lock nut around.
I bet the elevation slides were a common basic form, too.

Be interesting to lay Lyman 48s for Winchester 70 and Springfield 03 side by side to compare.
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Old November 13, 2020, 02:44 PM   #17
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I would want not want that rifle.
It was very cool looking at it.
Thanks for the picture!
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Old November 13, 2020, 07:38 PM   #18
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@Mike_Irwin - do you have Bruce Campbell's The Smokeless Era?
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Old November 14, 2020, 11:03 AM   #19
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Gary,

No, I don't.
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Old November 14, 2020, 11:06 AM   #20
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In fact, I can't find any information on such a book by Bruce Campbell at all.

Clark Campbell wrote "The '03 era: When smokeless revolutionized U.S. riflery"...

Is that the one you're talking about?
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Old November 14, 2020, 06:17 PM   #21
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I like it! Its an iconic mod.

If you can't say something nice about a 1903 with an HS barrel then best to say nothign at all.
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