.410 For a garden gun? - Page 3

RMcL · September 24, 2020, 11:06 AM

Rio shotshells loaded with #12 shot, were only briefly marketed in 12 gauge and .410. So using such minuscule shot is now strictly a handloading proposition in any but 22 rimfire shot cartridges. Ballistic Products has #10, #11, and #12 shot for sale.

Shot size diameters can be readily found by subtracting the shot size from the smallest letter shot diameter and then moving the decimal point.

Example: B shot is nominally .17"

#6 shot: 17 - 6 = 11 Move decimal point two spaces to the left. #6 shot is .11"

#12 shot: 17 - 12 = 5 Move decimal point two spaces left. #12 shot is .05"

Journee's Formula can then provide an estimate of the maximum distance shot will travel in yards.

.05 x 2200 = 110 yards (#12 shot)

.11 x 2200 = 242 yards (#6 shot)

The online Round Ball Ballistics Calculator for Muzzleloaders will provide projectile weight and ballistic calculations.

.05" lead ball weight: .19 grain (approximately 2302 pellets per ounce)

Fired at a MV of 1100 fps #12 shot will have a calculated remaining velocity of 36 fps @ 75 yards.

Double K · September 24, 2020, 11:13 AM

Good information RMcL

langenc · October 1, 2020, 09:46 PM

Post 17--TMB900--

I can tell you are not from TEXAS cause there they kill all rattlers. The only good on is a dead one.

shurshot · October 4, 2020, 09:48 PM

.410 or even a .22 makes noise and can upset certain neighbors. CCI makes .22 Quiet shells, if you can locate any.

Pneumatic airguns are noisier than most Springers. A good springer will propel a .177 or .22 pellet with more than enough power into the kill zones of either a snake or Bobcat. Bows will work too, but it takes more practice to be accurate.
A scoped crossbow like an Excalibur, is essentially a string gun, with rifle like accuracy out to 40 yards or more. Virtually silent too.

On the cheap, a good hunting banded wrist rocket slingshot with .44 or .45 caliber lead balls will deliver lethal pest control power out to 10 to 15 yards with a little practice. Very quiet and may not upset people as much as many consider them kids toys... which they are anything but. Plus, slingshots are fun.

Do you have a Remington 870 that accepts choke tubes? If so, locate a Metro barrel extension... essentially makes a 12 gauge sound like a Crossman air rifle. Perfect for urban varmints. I saw Tom Knapp demonstrate one in person years ago. Bought one myself.

September 24, 2020, 11:06 AM	#51
RMcL Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 273	Rio shotshells loaded with #12 shot, were only briefly marketed in 12 gauge and .410. So using such minuscule shot is now strictly a handloading proposition in any but 22 rimfire shot cartridges. Ballistic Products has #10, #11, and #12 shot for sale. Shot size diameters can be readily found by subtracting the shot size from the smallest letter shot diameter and then moving the decimal point. Example: B shot is nominally .17" #6 shot: 17 - 6 = 11 Move decimal point two spaces to the left. #6 shot is .11" #12 shot: 17 - 12 = 5 Move decimal point two spaces left. #12 shot is .05" Journee's Formula can then provide an estimate of the maximum distance shot will travel in yards. .05 x 2200 = 110 yards (#12 shot) .11 x 2200 = 242 yards (#6 shot) The online Round Ball Ballistics Calculator for Muzzleloaders will provide projectile weight and ballistic calculations. .05" lead ball weight: .19 grain (approximately 2302 pellets per ounce) Fired at a MV of 1100 fps #12 shot will have a calculated remaining velocity of 36 fps @ 75 yards. Last edited by RMcL; September 24, 2020 at 01:02 PM.

October 4, 2020, 09:48 PM	#54
shurshot Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2006 Posts: 1,819	.410 or even a .22 makes noise and can upset certain neighbors. CCI makes .22 Quiet shells, if you can locate any. Pneumatic airguns are noisier than most Springers. A good springer will propel a .177 or .22 pellet with more than enough power into the kill zones of either a snake or Bobcat. Bows will work too, but it takes more practice to be accurate. A scoped crossbow like an Excalibur, is essentially a string gun, with rifle like accuracy out to 40 yards or more. Virtually silent too. On the cheap, a good hunting banded wrist rocket slingshot with .44 or .45 caliber lead balls will deliver lethal pest control power out to 10 to 15 yards with a little practice. Very quiet and may not upset people as much as many consider them kids toys... which they are anything but. Plus, slingshots are fun. Do you have a Remington 870 that accepts choke tubes? If so, locate a Metro barrel extension... essentially makes a 12 gauge sound like a Crossman air rifle. Perfect for urban varmints. I saw Tom Knapp demonstrate one in person years ago. Bought one myself. Last edited by shurshot; October 4, 2020 at 09:53 PM.

September 24, 2020, 11:13 AM	#52
Double K Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2020 Location: Colorado Posts: 486	Good information RMcL

October 1, 2020, 09:46 PM	#53
langenc Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2007 Location: Montmorency Co, MI Posts: 1,551	Post 17--TMB900-- I can tell you are not from TEXAS cause there they kill all rattlers. The only good on is a dead one.