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Old November 2, 2022, 01:55 PM   #51
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I am going to keep it, but I'm less clear how or when I'll play with the trigger as of right now and if at all.

My best hope was a Walther trigger so I just ended up buying a PPQ to replace the one I sold for a PDP. Bought this today and hope it comes in soon. The G19 and PPQ fill this size for now:

https://www.guns.com/firearms/handgu...nds-4-barrel-?

I'm very much looking forward to the P365 in the coming 4" barrel. That might send the G19 down the road, but might not too.

I may end up, even soon, going with the Apex Gen5 trigger...just became less of an idea as I've warmed up the grip, but not 100% liking it.

Thanks all for the help! I'll post back when I put the Apex kit in.
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Old November 2, 2022, 02:31 PM   #52
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I'm very much looking forward to the P365 in the coming 4" barrel. That might send the G19 down the road, but might not too.
If you mean a Macro with an XL slide, I just this week shot a Macro and swapped my XL slide on it. That combination in no way, imo, recoils like a Glock 19. I shot all of them side by side. Even with the comped slide the Macro still recoils more than a Glock 19, though the comp closes the gap noticeably (between the grip and the comp I think the comp is the biggest difference maker, and also was noticeable when I put that slide on my XL frame).

The Macro grip with the magazine inserted is also noticeably taller than a Glock 19 with the magazine inserted (here’s a picture for emphasis https://www.reddit.com/r/SigSauer/co...tm_name=iossmf). I walked away more lukewarm on the Macro grip than when I went into my little experiment and was left once more questioning if it has been worth buying all these pistols when I shoot the Glock 19 so well.



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Old November 2, 2022, 02:47 PM   #53
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Not the Macro. They are coming out with an update of P365 options. The one I going to buy is the 4" non comp barreled with a 17rnd grip. I'm hopeful of creating a 4" with the 10rnd grip.
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Old November 2, 2022, 02:49 PM   #54
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I hear you. This is my G19 against one of my P365 with the factory 15rnd mag:



I do not care for the 15rnd magazine without the backstrap area. Hopefully a solution exists for this in the future.
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Old November 2, 2022, 03:00 PM   #55
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Not the Macro. They are coming out with an update of P365 options. The one I going to buy is the 4" non comp barreled with a 17rnd grip. I'm hopeful of creating a 4" with the 10rnd grip.

That’s what I said. It would basically be an XL slide on the Macro frame, that’s what I tested. You could extend it out to a 4” barrel and slide (not sure if you’re rounding or if they intend to add a new barrel and slide for another 1/4” as the XL isn’t a 4” barrel) but I don’t think it would make much, if any, difference in recoil. Maybe you’ll get a few more fps.


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Old November 2, 2022, 03:09 PM   #56
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To clarify, the Macro as sold doesn’t have an XL slide and barrel, it has the shorter 3.1” barrel with the comped slide (the comped slide is as long as an XL slide). I know a number of people want that longer barrel and slide of the XL on the Macro frame, I’ve read people asking that in a number of places. My point was in testing that combination the larger frame made practically no difference in recoil. If you had larger hands and the larger frame would allow say your whole hand to get on the grip that might be another story, that or if you wanted more capacity and were fine with the size increase. But other than those options I don’t personally think the frame gives you much over the base XL.


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Old November 2, 2022, 03:33 PM   #57
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Yep. The non ported 100% standard 4" barrel/slide that is coming. That's what I want.

No regard to recoil as I'm not going after the comp slide.
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Old November 2, 2022, 03:38 PM   #58
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The chespest option is a polish job. Take metal polish something like flitz. Apply it to the sear area where the bar contacts. You can use a q-tip to polish, or dry fire 50 times, clean, lubricate, done. The idea is to smooth the wear areas against each other to reduce friction.

I tried the 3.5lb connectors. Glock makes one as well. They call it the minus "-". It did make my trigger feel mushy. I didnt like it.

Glock has several passive safety features that will keep the gun from firing without a deliberate trigger pull. Smoothing or reducing the pull weight will make it easier to pull the trigger, but will not mess up or deactivate any of the safety features.

As far as turning it into a single action gun. Thats impossible. Its a striker fired double action. There is no chaning that. There will always be take up to finish cocking the striker. Can you make it lighter/smoother, yes you can. But it will never be a single action.
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Old November 2, 2022, 03:53 PM   #59
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Yep. The non ported 100% standard 4" barrel/slide that is coming. That's what I want.

No regard to recoil as I'm not going after the comp slide.

I know you’re not going after the comped slide. The experience I shared was my experience both with the comped slide and without the comped slide.

You’re welcome to buy that pistol when it comes out. Shooting that configuration against a Glock 19 shows a notable difference, imo. I was sharing that so you’d have an idea of what to expect going in.


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Old November 2, 2022, 04:03 PM   #60
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Yep. T]I am totally appreciative of your comments too. I think the G19 will be sticking around. I do like it's size. If Glock would make a factory Shield system for the slim size, watch out credit card.
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Old November 2, 2022, 04:19 PM   #61
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For some reason I don’t think Glock is interested in doing that. Glock seems to be content with their customers going to the aftermarket, in a number of areas. Maybe that makes it easier for them production wise, and in fairness the options from SIG can be more expensive, sometimes much so. Maybe when Gaston passes away that attitude will evolve, but until then I don’t think “Perfection” is going to change much. I say this as someone that still likes Glocks, so maybe it’s a moot point.

I think for myself there’s a bit of a Goldilocks situation when it comes to these slimline pistols. I think part of that is shooting say an original Shield versus the P365 showed them so close in shooting performance that getting the SIG and having the added capacity seemed like a foregone conclusion. But a Glock 19 versus a Macro and having the Macro thinner, but similar (or taller) in height and worse in shooting characteristics has me accepting a bit more width with the Glock 19. Then you could even go the PDP F-series, and have a compact with a thinner grip (I picked on of those up and have been playing with it). Idk, lots of options now.


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Old November 2, 2022, 04:27 PM   #62
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So very true!

Wondering about the PDP-F too. Want to hear more from owners over time with the moving of the trigger and what that means for who knows what if anything I dislike the PDP slide, but what can you do if it's the future of Walther. Nothing. I'll eventually get back into one.

The HK P2000 (non SK) at micro smaller than the G19 is giving me extreme heartburn. I bought, but cancelled the order just knowing it won't be perfect. It would require a Gray Guns reset (for me) and even then it would just match a Glock factory reset at best. But the urge is bordering as very high.

I'm willing to have 3 carry sizes in the LCP, the P365 10rnder, and something before the standard G19/Walther. What is that bewtweener is open for the manufacturers to fill
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Old November 2, 2022, 04:46 PM   #63
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I have had a few P2000s, V3 so DA/SA, over the years. I think it’s about the perfect carry sized DA/SA and when I used it I loved it at first. But the trigger, like you mentioned, is just mediocre at best. From the pistols you posted about buying lately the trigger would seem bad by comparison. Part of why I sold mine is I started short stroking the trigger at speed. You can learn not to do that, but why have to?

I put a GrayGuns reduced reset kit in an HK45 recently and it made a difference, but honesty not like SIG SRT level of difference, and in the P2000 you’re starting off worse than the HK45.
Maybe a gunsmith could do better directly, idk.

The PDP F series has been good so far. The ergonomics (I use the medium blackstrap as opposed to the small that comes installed), are to me better than the PDP by a fair margin. If you see one locally give it a look. I have about 400 rounds through mine so far. I’m now waiting on an optics plate and it looks like I will be for some time (I wish optics ready actually meant optics ready). The frame is made in the US though, with an imported slide and barrel, so no cool proof marks. I am a bit curious how it holds up, I guess I’ll see.


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Old November 2, 2022, 07:16 PM   #64
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I hear you. This is my G19 against one of my P365 with the factory 15rnd mag:



I do not care for the 15rnd magazine without the backstrap area. Hopefully a solution exists for this in the future.
A solution does exsist! Its just kinda expensive at $23.99 plus shipping .

https://tactical.dev/products/sig-p365-15-pro
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Old November 2, 2022, 08:47 PM   #65
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That is awesome! I dont know how much i am into replacing two factory 15rnd mags for my 10rnd grip...but maybe. That fixes a very obvious and uncomfortable oem issue. Thanks for the link!

Dang it. Yeah. Gotta do it. That is cleary better.
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Old November 2, 2022, 08:53 PM   #66
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Yep. The v3. I had a p30l v3 so know what i wouldnt like about the p2000...willing to be less concerned on reset, but hk reset is just so darn long. Wild hair and i might get it next and just accept it. That srt on my p226...it is almost too much.

Did you say if the pdp f is the 4 or 3.5? Maybe that is an idea...i know walther got too tricky with the different ppq sc slide vs the p99c...but hum. Maybe that is something to think on too for that inbetween size.

Great talk. Thanks. Lots to think on
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Old November 3, 2022, 02:13 AM   #67
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Did you say if the pdp f is the 4 or 3.5? Maybe that is an idea...i know walther got too tricky with the different ppq sc slide vs the p99c...but hum. Maybe that is something to think on too for that inbetween size.

Great talk. Thanks. Lots to think on

My F series is the 4”. For me the slight reduction in size of the 3.5” wasn’t overly appealing. Barrel and slide length isn’t something I typically find hard to conceal and if I am going to carry something as tall as a PDP F series I accept the longer barrel, though I get why someone might go with the 3.5”. Plus the lights and holsters I have from my 4” Compact could work easily enough with the 4” F series. The 4” also shares recoil springs with the typical PPQ/PDP 4”, and I have a Sprinco system I’ve used.
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Old November 5, 2022, 02:04 PM   #68
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I really like the feel of the stock Gen 5 triggers. So much so that I sold my Gen 3's.

I know the Glock trigger pull leaves something to be desired for many people, but for my use (carry and home defense) the stock trigger is just about perfect. For me anyway.
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Old November 11, 2022, 07:11 PM   #69
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Picked up the PPQ M1 today. I think it's brand new and unfired. The two extra mags had not residue inside. I'll post up pics with the P226 and the G19 as these are the main compacts in my mind, but for right this second...man.

It is light and day difference. I warmed up to the Glock, but picking up the PPQ it was perfect again. Again, despite the PDP talk of a more defined wall, this PPQ has zero creep at its wall. Very easy to pull the shot as expected or to small move it to the wall and know the break. Just fanastic.
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Picked up the PPQ M1 today. I think it's brand new and unfired. The two extra mags had not residue inside. I'll post up pics with the P226 and the G19 as these are the main compacts in my mind, but for right this second...man.

It is light and day difference. I warmed up to the Glock, but picking up the PPQ it was perfect again. Again, despite the PDP talk of a more defined wall, this PPQ has zero creep at its wall. Very easy to pull the shot as expected or to small move it to the wall and know the break. Just fanastic.

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Old December 2, 2022, 11:12 AM   #71
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Well, after much research, I ended up with the oddly named Glock 45, a 9mm Glock 19 slide on a Glock 17 frame. I really like the way it feels and shoots. I've already added Ameriglo sights and may spring for the Glockmeister TVR trigger shoe.
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Old December 2, 2022, 12:20 PM   #72
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Nice.

That's a pricey pill without the bar and stuff. Wowzer. But I'm checking it out now.

Thanks!

Follow up, the continued reference of some god of war without product description is ridiculous.
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