.270 Win vs 6.5 CM for Hunting

[eastbank]

post 47 does not mention the .270 at all. but the 6mm CM and .243 win.

[stagpanther]

post 47 does not mention the .270 at all. but the 6mm CM and .243 win.

that's right--forgot for a minute that the OP was actually asking about creedmoor vs 270. my mistake.

[hooligan1]

I have both and shoot both well enough to still not tell the difference in them ballistically.
But I will say that the 6.5 Creedmoor isn't any fad, no even close, there is more commercial ammo for it at the store everyday it seems like and grumblings that the military are testing it is common knowledge now.
It,(6.5 Creedmoor) will be here and have plenty of offerings both in rifles, and ammunition for eternity, because of it's inherent accuracy and low recoil coupled with it's short actioned based application.
I've read the July issue of Rifle Magazine and John Barsness's article Muzzle Velocity Obsessions.
On page 49 he included a chart, the comparison of a 143 grn eldx, and a 130 grn Interlock, is an eye opener. Also it could be that the popularity of both cartridges is still on the incline.
I built a Creedmoor on a Mauser action that has many bells and whistles and it's crazy accurate for what it is, having said all of this, I will forever have a .270 Winchester in my safe to hunt anything I get a chance at.

[Picher]

Quote: "if the .243 had the same twist as the 6mm CM there would not be a nickles worth of difference between them.."

My .243 has a 1/9" twist. That was recommended by Pac-Nor when I re-barreled my 700 .22-250 to .243 Win. It shoots great and has killed several Maine deer and a few coyotes in the blueberry fields.

[stagpanther]

Whereabouts in Maine you at Picher--I'm midcoast on Mt Desert?

[Picher]

We're in Vassalboro and shoot at Capitol City R&P, when not shooting at our private range across a blueberry field owned by our son.

[jackstrawIII]

This has been beaten around a lot, but I wanted to share my thoughts:

I've gotten to the point where the caliber of a rifle is WAY less important to me than the rifle itself. Most would agree that anything from 243 on up will kill a deer humanely... so choose any caliber north of that and it doesn't really matter. What's more important to me is the intangible "it factor" that certain guns have. I like my CZ 527 in 7.62x39, so I kill deer with it. I also like my Winchester Model 70 Supergrade in 270, so I kill deer with it too. Etc etc.

So, to answer your question: if you want a new gun and it happens to be chambered in 6.5 CM, fine. Get it. Do you love your old 243? Fine, keep it. Caliber debates are entertaining, but that's pretty much all they are.

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by jackstrawIII

This has been beaten around a lot, but I wanted to share my thoughts:

I've gotten to the point where the caliber of a rifle is WAY less important to me than the rifle itself. Most would agree that anything from 243 on up will kill a deer humanely... so choose any caliber north of that and it doesn't really matter. What's more important to me is the intangible "it factor" that certain guns have. I like my CZ 527 in 7.62x39, so I kill deer with it. I also like my Winchester Model 70 Supergrade in 270, so I kill deer with it too. Etc etc.

So, to answer your question: if you want a new gun and it happens to be chambered in 6.5 CM, fine. Get it. Do you love your old 243? Fine, keep it. Caliber debates are entertaining, but that's pretty much all they are.

Wait... WHAT?! You mean caliber debates aren't productive?!?!?!

[stagpanther]

BTW--I'm now selling t-shirts that say "Just Say No To Creedmoor" on them. $45 includes shipping and handling.

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by stagpanther

BTW--I'm now selling t-shirts that say "Just Say No To Creedmoor" on them. $45 includes shipping and handling.

I'll take 100 so I can pass them out at the local hookah bar!

[stagpanther]

I'll take 100 so I can pass them out at the local hookah bar!

Would you want those with or without pasties?

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by stagpanther

Would you want those with or without pasties?

Without... you gotta work on one thing at a time with the manbuns!

[Lohman446]

6.5 or .270 for hunting? It doesn't matter.

Let's say we had a scale for hunting North American game. I don't know what all goes into it but lets just pretend we do.

We are going to call it the humane kill factor to take game X at Y yards or less with a well placed shot. Except for at the extremes of Y its not going to matter.

Let's say the "humane kill factor" number works out to be 40.

The 6.5 and the .270 likely score in the 80+ range (ok, I'm making this all up for illustration purposes but you get the point).

We can debate all day if the 6.5 scores 83 and the .270 scores 80 or vice versa. In the end it simply does not matter. We are so far into the "overkill" portion of the scale that it makes no difference.

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by Lohman446

6.5 or .270 for hunting? It doesn't matter.

Let's say we had a scale for hunting North American game. I don't know what all goes into it but lets just pretend we do.

We are going to call it the humane kill factor to take game X at Y yards or less with a well placed shot. Except for at the extremes of Y its not going to matter.

Let's say the "humane kill factor" number works out to be 40.

The 6.5 and the .270 likely score in the 80+ range (ok, I'm making this all up for illustration purposes but you get the point).

We can debate all day if the 6.5 scores 83 and the .270 scores 80 or vice versa. In the end it simply does not matter. We are so far into the "overkill" portion of the scale that it makes no difference.

Well stated! Except the 270 is green and the 6.5 is blue, and I prefer green.

All that to say the decision will come down to preference.

[The Big Game Hunter]

They're both good cartridges, but there is a big difference between the 6.5 and the .270. Honestly, the .270 is much closer to the .30-06 than the 6.5 Creedmoor in terms of power and ballistic performance (http://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/270-vs-30-06/ ).
That being said, there isn't anything wrong with either one of them. If you want a 6.5 Creedmoor, by all means get one.

[Picher]

Don't do it! The .243 Win and .270 are enough for whatever you need to do. The 6.5 fills a need for people who don't have the chamberings you have.

[Nathan]

Arrrgh....ooops!

[stagpanther]

edit--duh.

[Doyle]

WHAT? No 25-06? tisk tisk tisk.

My problem with the 25-06 (besides low bullet weight) is LOTS of muzzle blast unless you shoot with a long barrel. I'm a fan of shorter barrel rifles in the woods.

[stagpanther]

is LOTS of muzzle blast unless you shoot with a long barrel

True--kinda hard to avoid with any 06 based cartridge.

[gw44]

270 would do it for me, 270 in a good bolt gun is hard to beat !!!

[Mobuck]

I'm not a fan of the .270 and feel no joy with the hype piled on the 6.5C.
A 25/06 will shoot flatter than a 270 with less recoil and has a flatter trajectory at reasonable hunting ranges vs the 6.5C.

[Pathfinder45]

You are certainly a fan of the 25-06.....

[Mobuck]

"You are certainly a fan of the 25-06....."

Yes sir, it does everything I ask w/o beating me up in the process. I've killed more BIG deer with it than some folks will ever see and put the smack down on some coyotes at surprising ranges.

[stagpanther]

"You are certainly a fan of the 25-06....."

Yes sir, it does everything I ask w/o beating me up in the process. I've killed more BIG deer with it than some folks will ever see and put the smack down on some coyotes at surprising ranges.

I bought a savage in 25-06--I also have a "soft spot" for .257 caliber--but what kind of bullet do you use for your hunting? I figure it's a tricky thing picking the right bullet.