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October 1, 2020, 07:21 PM | #1 |
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Hogdon cornering the market ?
https://ultimatereloader.com/2020/10...oading+Blog%29
Hogdon just acquired Ramshot and Accurate. Just me but I am developing alternatives for my Hogdon loads and with VV and Shooters World (Lovex). I have about 16 more pounds of Varget and same with H 4350 but when that is gone I will have alternative loads worked up
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October 1, 2020, 07:26 PM | #2 |
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And you believe that Varget and H4350 will become unavailable because.....? If Hodgdon raises their prices do you believe that VV and Shooters World will not respond in kind?
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October 1, 2020, 07:31 PM | #3 |
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Most powders today are really only manufactured in two places anyway. No reason for panic.
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Now, if only they find someone to produce Solo 1000 and bring it back to market.
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I doubt Alliant is going away
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October 1, 2020, 09:16 PM | #6 |
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I am not saying anything is going away. Hogdon acquired Winchester and IMR and neither went away. But I quit depending on a go to powder because of times like these. Like I said my OP I have plenty of Varget and H4350 at the moment but just try and any in stock at the major suppliers. How about H4895 or any of half a dozen other popular powders. Just saying I like to have a backup and I am finding other powders which perform just as well if not better. Too bad there are not more primer manufacturers
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US politics has nothing to do with a supply chain that starts on the other side of the world https://revivaler.com/hodgdon-powder...an-connection/
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hounddawg,
If you are looking to an alternative powder to Varget, consider RL15. When I was shooting in 1,000 yard competition, I did quite a bit of load development/testing using Varget and RL15. I found RL15 to be slightly better than Varget in my .308. Don
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October 2, 2020, 01:24 PM | #12 |
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Hodgdon is the correct spelling.
Western also distributed Norma powders in U.S. Hodgdon extruded powders are mostly made by ADI (Australia). St.Marks (Florida) makes all U.S. ball powders, and is owned by General Dynamics, who also make some Accurate extruded powders in Canada. I believe Alliant/former Hercules made materials for solid fuel rockets (the NASA kind). IMR 4320 is a very similar alternative to Varget. Many Hodgdon branded powders are "evil twins" of like-named IMR powders.
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October 2, 2020, 04:13 PM | #13 |
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Most of the Australian stuff is now made in Canada, hence recent suggestions to make sure you're following proper data and loadings.
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The primer situation is dire if you aren’t stocked up, but I have been able to find the powders I need with a little looking. I bought H4350, Varget, RL26, and H4831sc all in the last month.
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Primers are scarce, but searching outside your normal providers may prove beneficial. I picked up 12 lbs of powders and 15 bricks of small pistol, though 3 were magnum, and 2 match, but all will work for intended purposes. All in the past month and a half.
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Cornering the market, hell I'd be happy if they would get off they're collective asses and start making H50BMG again!
One of the best and most popular powders and they stop making it! W.T.F?!
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https://www.snipershide.com/shooting...itute.6954043/ assuming the ADI plant is not shut down because of covid it's being made. Getting it shipped from to US from Australia is another thing altogether out lovely EPA has made producing any sort of stick powder in USA damn near impossible due to its rules and regs
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My concern isn't with the elimination of powders but with the elimination on printed material.
I have printed Westerns pdf and keep a copy on my reloading bench. Also when on the forums and newbies ask to get started I direct them to this file to read for for free to get started. What I really fear is this becoming another Bass Pro Shops/Cabela's outcome. Where Cabela's has lost all it's individuality. |
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Old pamphlets are here:
http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Freebies/default.html I keep my own pdf copies of the Wester Powders guides.
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I will have to keep my IMR 4320 on the same shelf as my Reloader 12.
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I'm just hoping Ramshot TAC is more available in my area now. And Hodgdon are listening....DO NOT mess with A1680 you leave that wonderful powder alone.
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Hodgdon's primary suppliers are General Dynamics (Canada), General Dynamics (Florida), and Thales (Australia). That would be three. Secondary suppliers are Bofors, Nitrochemie, and at least one more that I'm forgetting. That's another three. Accurate and Ramshot primarily sourced their powders from Explosia and Nitrochemie. (That's another, and we haven't even gotten into the com-blocs.) And what is the plant that just reopened in the US? Quote:
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Marco,
Looking at Hodgdon's 2009 relative burn rate chart, 4320 and RE12 are right next to each other and between 4895 and 4064. On the 2015-2016 burn rate chart, it is slower and between Varget and 748. They've removed it from the current chart.
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