Hogdon cornering the market ?

[hounddawg]

https://ultimatereloader.com/2020/10...oading+Blog%29

Hogdon just acquired Ramshot and Accurate. Just me but I am developing alternatives for my Hogdon loads and with VV and Shooters World (Lovex). I have about 16 more pounds of Varget and same with H 4350 but when that is gone I will have alternative loads worked up

[TX Nimrod]

And you believe that Varget and H4350 will become unavailable because.....? If Hodgdon raises their prices do you believe that VV and Shooters World will not respond in kind?







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[nhyrum]

Most powders today are really only manufactured in two places anyway. No reason for panic.


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[USSR]

Now, if only they find someone to produce Solo 1000 and bring it back to market.

Don

[FITASC]

I doubt Alliant is going away

[hounddawg]

I am not saying anything is going away. Hogdon acquired Winchester and IMR and neither went away. But I quit depending on a go to powder because of times like these. Like I said my OP I have plenty of Varget and H4350 at the moment but just try and any in stock at the major suppliers. How about H4895 or any of half a dozen other popular powders. Just saying I like to have a backup and I am finding other powders which perform just as well if not better. Too bad there are not more primer manufacturers

[rclark]

But I quit depending on a go to powder because of times like these.

Why? You should have xx or xxx pounds available of goto powder for times like these . I learned that from the last time around. That said, I've tested many powders, so if for some reason this lasts longer than 20 years or so, I will have something for a backup . Big thing in times like these is to get out and vote for a free America, not a socialist America. That'll get the powder back sooner.

[hounddawg]

US politics has nothing to do with a supply chain that starts on the other side of the world https://revivaler.com/hodgdon-powder...an-connection/

[jski]

Announcement:

Hodgdon Powder Company is pleased to announce the acquisition of the Ramshot and Accurate smokeless powder brands and the Blackhorn 209 muzzleloader brand from Western Powders. This acquisition is effective October 1, 2020, with the company set to immediately begin shipping these new products to wholesale and retail customers.

[USSR]

hounddawg,

If you are looking to an alternative powder to Varget, consider RL15. When I was shooting in 1,000 yard competition, I did quite a bit of load development/testing using Varget and RL15. I found RL15 to be slightly better than Varget in my .308.

Don

[lll Otto lll]

Originally Posted by TX Nimrod

And you believe that Varget and H4350 will become unavailable because.....? If Hodgdon raises their prices do you believe that VV and Shooters World will not respond in kind?

Varget has been unavailable for close to a year already. Odd because it's also the most popular rifle powder in the US.
This is what happens when you turn the company over to the grand-kids.

[Marco Califo]

Hodgdon is the correct spelling.
Western also distributed Norma powders in U.S.
Hodgdon extruded powders are mostly made by ADI (Australia). St.Marks (Florida) makes all U.S. ball powders, and is owned by General Dynamics, who also make some Accurate extruded powders in Canada.
I believe Alliant/former Hercules made materials for solid fuel rockets (the NASA kind).
IMR 4320 is a very similar alternative to Varget. Many Hodgdon branded powders are "evil twins" of like-named IMR powders.

[FITASC]

Most of the Australian stuff is now made in Canada, hence recent suggestions to make sure you're following proper data and loadings.

[Wyosam]

The primer situation is dire if you aren’t stocked up, but I have been able to find the powders I need with a little looking. I bought H4350, Varget, RL26, and H4831sc all in the last month.


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[markr6754]

Originally Posted by Wyosam

The primer situation is dire if you aren’t stocked up, but I have been able to find the powders I need with a little looking. I bought H4350, Varget, RL26, and H4831sc all in the last month.


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Primers are scarce, but searching outside your normal providers may prove beneficial. I picked up 12 lbs of powders and 15 bricks of small pistol, though 3 were magnum, and 2 match, but all will work for intended purposes. All in the past month and a half.

[50 shooter]

Cornering the market, hell I'd be happy if they would get off they're collective asses and start making H50BMG again!

One of the best and most popular powders and they stop making it! W.T.F?!

[hounddawg]

Cornering the market, hell I'd be happy if they would get off they're collective asses and start making H50BMG again!

One of the best and most popular powders and they stop making it! W.T.F?!

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting...itute.6954043/


assuming the ADI plant is not shut down because of covid it's being made. Getting it shipped from to US from Australia is another thing altogether

out lovely EPA has made producing any sort of stick powder in USA damn near impossible due to its rules and regs

[Unclenick]

Originally Posted by Marco Califo

IMR 4320 is a very similar alternative to Varget. Many Hodgdon branded powders are "evil twins" of like-named IMR powders.

IMR 4320 has been made obsolete and is no longer part of the IMR line. ADI AR2208 (Varget in the U.S.) was originally developed to compete with IMR4064, specifically, but has even less sensitivity to charge weight in most .308 Loads.

[kmw1954]

My concern isn't with the elimination of powders but with the elimination on printed material.

I have printed Westerns pdf and keep a copy on my reloading bench. Also when on the forums and newbies ask to get started I direct them to this file to read for for free to get started.

What I really fear is this becoming another Bass Pro Shops/Cabela's outcome. Where Cabela's has lost all it's individuality.

[Marco Califo]

Old pamphlets are here:
http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Freebies/default.html
I keep my own pdf copies of the Wester Powders guides.

[ThomasT]

IMR 4320 has been made obsolete and is no longer part of the IMR line. ADI AR2208 (Varget in the U.S.) was originally developed to compete with IMR4064, specifically, but has even less sensitivity to charge weight in most .308 Loads.

Thats too bad. I have used the Jack O'Conner suggested 51-53grs of 4320 for 30-06 loads for years and found it to be good in my two 30-06 rifles.

[Marco Califo]

I will have to keep my IMR 4320 on the same shelf as my Reloader 12.

[CarJunkieLS1]

I'm just hoping Ramshot TAC is more available in my area now. And Hodgdon are listening....DO NOT mess with A1680 you leave that wonderful powder alone.

[FrankenMauser]

Most powders today are really only manufactured in two places anyway. No reason for panic.

That is a very broad statement that is, well, incorrect.

Hodgdon's primary suppliers are General Dynamics (Canada), General Dynamics (Florida), and Thales (Australia). That would be three.
Secondary suppliers are Bofors, Nitrochemie, and at least one more that I'm forgetting. That's another three.

Accurate and Ramshot primarily sourced their powders from Explosia and Nitrochemie. (That's another, and we haven't even gotten into the com-blocs.)

And what is the plant that just reopened in the US?

DO NOT mess with A1680 you leave that wonderful powder alone.

1680 is repackaged under at least 5 other labels. It is a popular Explosia powder. Even if "Accurate 1680" goes away, it will still be available under another name.

[Unclenick]

Marco,

Looking at Hodgdon's 2009 relative burn rate chart, 4320 and RE12 are right next to each other and between 4895 and 4064. On the 2015-2016 burn rate chart, it is slower and between Varget and 748. They've removed it from the current chart.