Original signature on C&R license

Joe W · July 14, 2009, 09:42 PM

I have been told that it no longer is a requirement that a copy of a C&R license contain an "original" signature and that the signature may also be photocopied.
Is this correct ??

jag2 · July 15, 2009, 10:13 AM

I doubt it. I just got mine a few months ago and was specifically told
to not sign the original but to make numerous copies and sign those, not
the original. I don't think the BATF would change that. I would question your source.

Joe W · July 15, 2009, 10:26 AM

I was told that by an FFL dealer. I do know that many FFL dealers will accept a FAX copy of a FFL and of course this FAX would not have a original signature. Guess I will have to call FFL Licensing Center to find out for sure.

HankC1 · July 15, 2009, 11:38 AM

01FFL (dealer) can be verified at BATF Easycheck online system but not 03FFL (C&R). That maybe why people will accept faxed or photocopied FFL and verify online but not C&R. I would only accept an ink signed C&R.

johnwilliamson062 · July 15, 2009, 11:52 AM

THere are several distributors and such that will accept faxed 03 FFLs.

jimgiven · July 15, 2009, 12:06 PM

ATF told me yesterday not to sign the original...to make copies and send the copy with your signature.

johnwilliamson062 · July 15, 2009, 01:48 PM

It def says to not sin the original, and it may be that you are supposed to mail copy you sign, but i think that all predates faxing the FFL and it is kind of a pointless regulation now. Just b/c it is pointless does not mean a bureaucrat is going to tell you to ignore it or that the rule book will change. Maybe you aren't allowed to fax 03s technically. I think I have only faxed them to set up accounts for distributors so I could see their pricing, so IDK.

jsmaye · July 15, 2009, 02:40 PM

I have faxed signed copies to both SOG and Classic Arms, and have bought from both using the faxed copy on file. So faxing a copy must be okay, if only in an implicit sense.

johnwilliamson062 · July 15, 2009, 03:44 PM

I am not admitting to any technical felonies whether or not I may have committed them(such as faxing 03 FFLs to purchase a gun to the above mentioned dealers and others). If they don't have an original FFL on files it is b/c they made a copy and lost the original. My story, and I am sticking to it.

My original is definitely unsigned, but I do have a signed copy around here somewhere for when I fax the copy to set up the distributor accounts...

Joe W · July 17, 2009, 11:28 PM

Just to be sure I called the regional office of the ATF yesterday. I was told that it is no longer required that the copy of any FFL contain an original signature. I was told that FAX copies and email attachments were also acceptable.

July 14, 2009, 09:42 PM	#1
Joe W Member Join Date: January 16, 2005 Location: SW Florida & Western N.C. Posts: 46	Original signature on C&R license I have been told that it no longer is a requirement that a copy of a C&R license contain an "original" signature and that the signature may also be photocopied. Is this correct ??

July 15, 2009, 10:26 AM	#3
Joe W Member Join Date: January 16, 2005 Location: SW Florida & Western N.C. Posts: 46	Original Signature on C&R Lic. I was told that by an FFL dealer. I do know that many FFL dealers will accept a FAX copy of a FFL and of course this FAX would not have a original signature. Guess I will have to call FFL Licensing Center to find out for sure.

July 15, 2009, 12:06 PM	#6
jimgiven Member Join Date: May 13, 2009 Location: Peoples' Republic of Corzinistan Posts: 20	ATF told me yesterday not to sign the original...to make copies and send the copy with your signature. __________________ Best, Jim Given Take your kids hunting before you have to hunt for your kids!!!

July 15, 2009, 02:40 PM	#8
jsmaye Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2008 Location: Amarillo, Tx Posts: 616	I have faxed signed copies to both SOG and Classic Arms, and have bought from both using the faxed copy on file. So faxing a copy must be okay, if only in an implicit sense. __________________ No matter how big and tough you are, when a two-year-old hands you a toy phone you'll answer it.

July 17, 2009, 11:28 PM	#10
Joe W Member Join Date: January 16, 2005 Location: SW Florida & Western N.C. Posts: 46	Original Signature no longer needed Just to be sure I called the regional office of the ATF yesterday. I was told that it is no longer required that the copy of any FFL contain an original signature. I was told that FAX copies and email attachments were also acceptable.

July 15, 2009, 10:13 AM	#2
jag2 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 773	I doubt it. I just got mine a few months ago and was specifically told to not sign the original but to make numerous copies and sign those, not the original. I don't think the BATF would change that. I would question your source.

July 15, 2009, 11:38 AM	#4
HankC1 Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 531	01FFL (dealer) can be verified at BATF Easycheck online system but not 03FFL (C&R). That maybe why people will accept faxed or photocopied FFL and verify online but not C&R. I would only accept an ink signed C&R.

July 15, 2009, 11:52 AM	#5
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	THere are several distributors and such that will accept faxed 03 FFLs.

July 15, 2009, 01:48 PM	#7
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	It def says to not sin the original, and it may be that you are supposed to mail copy you sign, but i think that all predates faxing the FFL and it is kind of a pointless regulation now. Just b/c it is pointless does not mean a bureaucrat is going to tell you to ignore it or that the rule book will change. Maybe you aren't allowed to fax 03s technically. I think I have only faxed them to set up accounts for distributors so I could see their pricing, so IDK.

July 15, 2009, 03:44 PM	#9
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I am not admitting to any technical felonies whether or not I may have committed them(such as faxing 03 FFLs to purchase a gun to the above mentioned dealers and others). If they don't have an original FFL on files it is b/c they made a copy and lost the original. My story, and I am sticking to it. My original is definitely unsigned, but I do have a signed copy around here somewhere for when I fax the copy to set up the distributor accounts...