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Old July 7, 2020, 06:36 AM   #51
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I can understand not enjoying 12 gauge recoil. And I suppose shoulder issues (or whatever) could also result in not being able to fire or shoulder a 12.

But not being able to cycle a pump shotgun? And it's not misunderstanding the slide release? I suspect he wouldn't be able to cycle most any semiautomatic pistol or rifle then, and probably not even most manually operated longarms.

Without understanding his physical issues better, it's difficult to make a suggestion.
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Old July 7, 2020, 10:13 AM   #52
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If you can get him to try a .22 MAGNUM rifle or a .410 bore it might be worth it
There are a couple of new generation .22 magnums, very light, low recoil.
Either Mossberg or Remington makes a .410 'firearm' +arm brace might be worth a look
I wish you and your buddy luck. Goodonya for helping him.
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Old July 7, 2020, 11:25 AM   #53
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Old July 7, 2020, 01:45 PM   #54
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Wallabing,

Not all gun store employees give great advice but some do, as you have found out.

Whatever this gentleman's difficulty is, I see this broken down into several issues.

Upper body strength
Pain / discomfort
Novice

This doesn't sound rude to me, but you could tell him you were trying to think of a gun that better fits him and ask if he's ever had any major upper body injuries, or arthritis, or if there are any particular movements that are hard for him to do.

Shotguns get recommended a lot either because some think that having to "rack it" makes a loud sound that will deter others, or because of the multiple pellets causing a pretty nasty wound. But they are relatively heavy, unwieldy, lower capacity, and may seem less intuitive (point and click) to operate, especially for someone new.

If hand strength is an issue, I'd recommend a Smith and Wesson M&P 9 Shield EZ. It's easier to rack the slide, and supposedly easier to load the magazine compared to many other semi-autos.

If the grip is too small for him, then any full sized 9mm with a 4+ inch barrel will have little recoil, with ammo being cheap enough to practice regularly.

Revolvers are lower capacity, but you don't have to fight any springs to load a magazine. The difficulty here is that one needs to be able to pull a heavier double action trigger with the index finger. I would suggest 38 special in a steel revolver, with at least a 4 inch barrel. The longer the barrel and heavier the revolver the less it kicks. Longer than 6 inch though would be strange (likely a novelty or hunting revolver) and make it rather front heavy. Perhaps the gun store gurus would let him try a double action trigger to see if he can pull it without pain or difficulty. Ruger makes a polymer frame revolver (it may kick a little more) that has a new trigger design for lighter double action pulls. I would avoid snub nose revolvers if he has arthritis or he's novice as the potential sting and difficulty being accurate would discourage him from practicing.

Pain can be trained away, but if someone's a novice, they won't have the motivation to even try. And if someone has had injury or arthritis, shooting should ideally not come at a cost other than the ammo budget.
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Old July 7, 2020, 03:07 PM   #55
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He told me he bought the 870 because it was what the gunstore recommended to him for home defense.
OK, now we know it is for home defense. All he needs is a good 380. My recommendation is a Bersa Thunder Plus ... 16 rounds with one in the pipe ... ultra safe, low recoil, light, slide easy to run, easy to handle, good sights, very reliable, easy to disassemble and clean and plenty effective for home defense. In his condition he will probably never be an accurate shooter, so high capacity is important. And with a UpLULA loader the magazines are easy to load.


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