Blowup/trauma - Page 2

random guy · March 29, 2017, 07:19 AM

Apparently this (minus the bogus hand injury picture) is the result of lead bullets in a Glock barrel. I don't really understand this. I've shot hardcast bullets in a polygonal barrel and saw no problem. Perhaps it is still a small problem but enough to put a risky combination over the edge. "The last straw".

I don't really understand unsupported chambers either, in a cartridge which doesn't leave much margin for error. Even among factory new ammo, brass composition is such a variable that you shouldn't expect the case to contain 30,000+ psi while unsupported to any significant degree.

It would be wise to eliminate unsupported chambers in anything but the lowest pressure rounds.

Edit: Re-reading, apparently this was not a lead bullet problem but lack of case sizing which lead to firing slightly out of battery. Not entirely sure that I accept that explanation but it may be real.

dgludwig · March 31, 2017, 06:24 PM

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Edit: Re-reading, apparently this was not a lead bullet problem but lack of case sizing which lead to firing slightly out of battery. Not entirely sure that I accept that explanation but it may be real.

Reread it again. Apparently the whole thing is a hoax and involved a motorcycle accident, not a gun incident.

random guy · March 31, 2017, 07:15 PM

Sure about that?

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jdmick posted: Well lookee here. Obviously the same gun.

http://www.adjunct.diodon349.com/Att...ot_blow_up.htm

The hand injury is a hoax. The Glock blowing up seems real enough. Unless a biker wrecked so badly that it broke his pistol into little pieces, blowing the bottom of its chamber out in the process.

Super Sneaky Steve · March 31, 2017, 08:05 PM

Even if the exploding Glock didn't blow off a finger the frame still failed and did injure the shooter.

It was the plastic that failed. In an all steel 1911 most of the blast may have exited the magwell without harming the shooter.

HiBC · April 1, 2017, 12:00 AM

Interesting,the stories behind the photo.
I'm the OP,as I said,it just showed up on my facebook page and I don't know the details.

It might be fake.

Its still a worthwhile image to encourage careful handloading.

I do not recall which TFL member posted pictures of his own hand trauma from a loading incident,but it got my attention.

For some reason pics of blown up guns don't quite carry the message as well as a wrecked hand does.
If the hand and Glock were wrecked by different events, yeah,its just a bogus pic. Maybe he was noodling for sharks .

AzShooter · April 1, 2017, 04:14 AM

As a Range Officer at a very large Public Range I have seen my share of blown up Glocks and Government Models plus the a few revolvers and rifles. They have all been associated with reloads. Either double charges or firing a round after a misfire. Fortunately I've never seen an injury like the one post.

Just because I haven't seen it yet I can't say an explosion like that can't happen. There are STRANGE people out there that like to push the envelope.

kmw1954 · April 1, 2017, 09:28 AM

HiBC I understand your thought on a visual picture. In 1972 I lost my eldest brother in a motorcycle vs. car accident. He was struck from behind while stopped at a stop sign. We had a closed casket service for him. I have never ridden a motorcycle on the hiway since and I still get nervous when one is in front of me.

I hand load and consider myself more than cautious at it. It also frightens me when I read posts of people hand loading and they state they've started at a max level or are thinking od shooting loads of unknown origin.

I have gone to the procedure that not only are my hand loads tagged with a label that describes the bullet, powder and primer but I also have each load boxed in color coded plastic boxes and each of those is also recorded in a log book.

dgludwig · April 1, 2017, 04:38 PM

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Sure about that?

I don't pretend to be sure about anything in this thread. I only know what I've read and there doesn't seem to be any real evidence about anything; certainly not enough to support an analysis that subscribes using lead bullets, over-sized cases or unsupported chambers to explain why a Glock pistol detonated (if, in fact, it really did

).

random guy · April 1, 2017, 06:39 PM

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I don't pretend to be sure about anything in this thread.

Yeah, that is a healthy attitude. I don't know how the blogger has such insight into the incident as he says it was not at his school. But if we take his word that the ammo was reloads, a whole world of possibilities opens up. And Glocks, including the .45s, have had varying degrees of chamber support. Bad combination when coupled with questionable ammo.

I was very relieved that the hand injury does not belong to the blow up. That is horrific. Still a lot more questions than answers though.

745SW · April 1, 2017, 07:41 PM

The worse hand injury I've heard of related to a handgun blowup was decades ago. The person lost a finger. Two custom 1911's in a range case, one chambered in 45ACP and the other 10mm. It is believed a 10mm cartridge got stuck in the barrel of the 45ACP pistol and the 45ACP pistol was fired.

Ramey · April 1, 2017, 08:26 PM

The internet has turned everyone into a skeptic and cynic. Not everything is photo shopped. Not everything is fake news. We need to get back to accepting things at face value.

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briandg · April 1, 2017, 11:42 PM

The damage to the hand does not match up to the damage on the gun. This cannot be matching photos, as others have already pointed out.

Ozzieman · April 4, 2017, 07:46 PM

Someone found a way to hammer a 500 S&W in to a 9mm hole.

jolly roger · April 6, 2017, 05:18 AM

There is absolutely no way that is true. And I have been round whole lot of injuries and ERs...

ritepath · April 6, 2017, 06:13 AM

Am I the only one that loads 9,38, &45 several grains under max? Sometimes even a grain or two under minimum?

Safety first, blowing up one of my pistols...never. Equally important is my hands and other body parts.

FWIW: I don't buy this set of pictures any more than the silly one where someone was supposed to shoot his steel toe boot to see if it's bullet proof.

dgludwig · April 6, 2017, 03:44 PM

The more I think about it, given the extreme severity of the injury, the more I think the victim put his hand under a running lawnmower.

blchandl2 · April 6, 2017, 05:49 PM

@ritepath: You are not the only one. Since my range shooting is only at paper, I load at the minimum charge that will function reliably in my guns. For me, anything more is wasting powder.

Mike38 · April 6, 2017, 05:57 PM

Someone in the comments below the picture makes an interesting point. Trigger guard of the pistol is intact, but trigger finger is gone. Makes me wonder.

Ozzieman · April 6, 2017, 06:21 PM

To all of you that doubt the photo and story,,,
It doesn't matter,,,,
Guns are BAD
Get rid of all GUNS
And no one will every get hurt again.
EVER

March 29, 2017, 07:19 AM	#26
random guy Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2017 Posts: 272	Apparently this (minus the bogus hand injury picture) is the result of lead bullets in a Glock barrel. I don't really understand this. I've shot hardcast bullets in a polygonal barrel and saw no problem. Perhaps it is still a small problem but enough to put a risky combination over the edge. "The last straw". I don't really understand unsupported chambers either, in a cartridge which doesn't leave much margin for error. Even among factory new ammo, brass composition is such a variable that you shouldn't expect the case to contain 30,000+ psi while unsupported to any significant degree. It would be wise to eliminate unsupported chambers in anything but the lowest pressure rounds. Edit: Re-reading, apparently this was not a lead bullet problem but lack of case sizing which lead to firing slightly out of battery. Not entirely sure that I accept that explanation but it may be real. Last edited by random guy; March 29, 2017 at 07:24 AM.

April 1, 2017, 11:42 PM	#37
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	The damage to the hand does not match up to the damage on the gun. This cannot be matching photos, as others have already pointed out. __________________ None.

April 4, 2017, 07:46 PM	#38
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	Someone found a way to hammer a 500 S&W in to a 9mm hole. __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.

April 6, 2017, 06:13 AM	#40
ritepath Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,419	Am I the only one that loads 9,38, &45 several grains under max? Sometimes even a grain or two under minimum? Safety first, blowing up one of my pistols...never. Equally important is my hands and other body parts. FWIW: I don't buy this set of pictures any more than the silly one where someone was supposed to shoot his steel toe boot to see if it's bullet proof. __________________ There's only one...

April 6, 2017, 03:44 PM	#41
dgludwig Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2005 Location: North central Ohio Posts: 7,486	The more I think about it, given the extreme severity of the injury, the more I think the victim put his hand under a running lawnmower. __________________ ONLY AN ARMED PEOPLE CAN BE TRULY FREE ; ONLY AN UNARMED PEOPLE CAN EVER BE ENSLAVED ...Aristotle NRA Benefactor Life Member

March 31, 2017, 08:05 PM	#29
Super Sneaky Steve Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2011 Posts: 1,250	Even if the exploding Glock didn't blow off a finger the frame still failed and did injure the shooter. It was the plastic that failed. In an all steel 1911 most of the blast may have exited the magwell without harming the shooter.

April 1, 2017, 12:00 AM	#30
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,283	Interesting,the stories behind the photo. I'm the OP,as I said,it just showed up on my facebook page and I don't know the details. It might be fake. Its still a worthwhile image to encourage careful handloading. I do not recall which TFL member posted pictures of his own hand trauma from a loading incident,but it got my attention. For some reason pics of blown up guns don't quite carry the message as well as a wrecked hand does. If the hand and Glock were wrecked by different events, yeah,its just a bogus pic. Maybe he was noodling for sharks .

April 1, 2017, 04:14 AM	#31
AzShooter Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2006 Location: Surprise, Az. Posts: 766	As a Range Officer at a very large Public Range I have seen my share of blown up Glocks and Government Models plus the a few revolvers and rifles. They have all been associated with reloads. Either double charges or firing a round after a misfire. Fortunately I've never seen an injury like the one post. Just because I haven't seen it yet I can't say an explosion like that can't happen. There are STRANGE people out there that like to push the envelope.

April 1, 2017, 09:28 AM	#32
kmw1954 Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2016 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 1,524	HiBC I understand your thought on a visual picture. In 1972 I lost my eldest brother in a motorcycle vs. car accident. He was struck from behind while stopped at a stop sign. We had a closed casket service for him. I have never ridden a motorcycle on the hiway since and I still get nervous when one is in front of me. I hand load and consider myself more than cautious at it. It also frightens me when I read posts of people hand loading and they state they've started at a max level or are thinking od shooting loads of unknown origin. I have gone to the procedure that not only are my hand loads tagged with a label that describes the bullet, powder and primer but I also have each load boxed in color coded plastic boxes and each of those is also recorded in a log book.

April 1, 2017, 07:41 PM	#35
745SW Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2011 Location: California Posts: 776	The worse hand injury I've heard of related to a handgun blowup was decades ago. The person lost a finger. Two custom 1911's in a range case, one chambered in 45ACP and the other 10mm. It is believed a 10mm cartridge got stuck in the barrel of the 45ACP pistol and the 45ACP pistol was fired.

April 1, 2017, 08:26 PM	#36
Ramey Member Join Date: December 1, 2016 Posts: 60	The internet has turned everyone into a skeptic and cynic. Not everything is photo shopped. Not everything is fake news. We need to get back to accepting things at face value. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

April 6, 2017, 05:18 AM	#39
jolly roger Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 179	There is absolutely no way that is true. And I have been round whole lot of injuries and ERs...

April 6, 2017, 05:49 PM	#42
blchandl2 Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2008 Location: TN Posts: 525	@ritepath: You are not the only one. Since my range shooting is only at paper, I load at the minimum charge that will function reliably in my guns. For me, anything more is wasting powder.

April 6, 2017, 05:57 PM	#43
Mike38 Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2009 Location: North Central Illinois Posts: 2,710	Someone in the comments below the picture makes an interesting point. Trigger guard of the pistol is intact, but trigger finger is gone. Makes me wonder.

April 6, 2017, 06:21 PM	#44
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	To all of you that doubt the photo and story,,, It doesn't matter,,,, Guns are BAD Get rid of all GUNS And no one will every get hurt again. EVER __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.