need help on identifying an old side by side

xandi · March 7, 2017, 08:43 PM

Hello
I was wondering if anyone could help me identify this old shootgun

http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jcsp...tml?sort=3&o=0
http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jcsp...tml?sort=3&o=1
http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jcsp...tml?sort=3&o=2
http://rs32.pbsrc.com/albums/d29/Jcs...h=480&fit=clip
http://rs32.pbsrc.com/albums/d29/Jcs...h=480&fit=clip
http://rs32.pbsrc.com/albums/d29/Jcs...h=480&fit=clip
Thx for any help

SHR970 · March 7, 2017, 09:00 PM

The AF on the area behind the latch would be for Andrew Fryberg but it is not a Fryberg gun.. Most likely a Fryberg patent use.

Chances are fair that it is a Shattuck Arms Co.

Not enough good markings in those pictures to work with.

xandi · March 7, 2017, 09:09 PM

Thx
How much work would it be to restore this gun?

T. O'Heir · March 8, 2017, 01:53 PM

"...How much work would it be..." It'd be more about how much money it'd cost and whether it's worth doing.
Barrels are toast for starts and probably Damascus. Damascus barrels are not safe to shoot with any ammo.
Plus the broken butt stock would require replacing. The forestock isn't original either. Neither are the screws on the inside of the forestock.
Any proof marks you can see on the barrels? They'd be under the forestock.

Jim Watson · March 8, 2017, 02:32 PM

I knew a guy who would "restore" clunkers like this. He would shine up the metal and carve a stock out of a fence post or something to produce a wall hanger you could make up stories about. No investment but his time and a few materials.

xandi · March 8, 2017, 06:39 PM

http://rs32.pbsrc.com/albums/d29/Jcs...h=480&fit=clip
I couldn't find a proof mark. There is a T on the underside of the barrels, whfdsat does it mean?
I cleaned the top a little http://rs32.pbsrc.com/albums/d29/Jcs...h=480&fit=clip
Says "new era gun new york" there is more writing but I can't make it out
Thx every one

SHR970 · March 8, 2017, 07:39 PM

Alright it is a New Era Gunworks shotgun from New York. If it is a Nitro Hammerless it was made by Baker Gun & Forging.

info source

NRA Info

Edit: The guys you want to talk to Baker Gun collectors

Wall hanger material....fixing it up will cost a lot more than it is worth.

Per the last link, the "T" stamp seems to indicate a London Twist Barrel. These are even more suspect than Damascus.

xandi · March 8, 2017, 08:31 PM

How so? What is london twist?
Cost isn't really importen here . I will be doing all the work over the next 80 years or so

SHR970 · March 8, 2017, 08:59 PM

London Twist is a particular pattern of a Damascus twist pattern. There are many "Damascus" patterns. London tends to have larger variations in the iron / steel portions with Quality Control and Metallurgy of the era not exactly being up to modern standards. Google it and read up, there is a lot to know just on the subject of "Damascus " barrels.

March 7, 2017, 08:43 PM	#1
xandi Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2015 Location: ga Posts: 321	need help on identifying an old side by side Hello I was wondering if anyone could help me identify this old shootgun http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jcsp...tml?sort=3&o=0 http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jcsp...tml?sort=3&o=1 http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jcsp...tml?sort=3&o=2 http://rs32.pbsrc.com/albums/d29/Jcs...h=480&fit=clip http://rs32.pbsrc.com/albums/d29/Jcs...h=480&fit=clip http://rs32.pbsrc.com/albums/d29/Jcs...h=480&fit=clip Thx for any help

March 8, 2017, 01:53 PM	#4
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	"...How much work would it be..." It'd be more about how much money it'd cost and whether it's worth doing. Barrels are toast for starts and probably Damascus. Damascus barrels are not safe to shoot with any ammo. Plus the broken butt stock would require replacing. The forestock isn't original either. Neither are the screws on the inside of the forestock. Any proof marks you can see on the barrels? They'd be under the forestock. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

March 8, 2017, 07:39 PM	#7
SHR970 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 1,427	Alright it is a New Era Gunworks shotgun from New York. If it is a Nitro Hammerless it was made by Baker Gun & Forging. info source NRA Info Edit: The guys you want to talk to Baker Gun collectors Wall hanger material....fixing it up will cost a lot more than it is worth. Per the last link, the "T" stamp seems to indicate a London Twist Barrel. These are even more suspect than Damascus. Last edited by SHR970; March 8, 2017 at 07:49 PM.

March 7, 2017, 09:00 PM	#2
SHR970 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 1,427	The AF on the area behind the latch would be for Andrew Fryberg but it is not a Fryberg gun.. Most likely a Fryberg patent use. Chances are fair that it is a Shattuck Arms Co. Not enough good markings in those pictures to work with.

March 7, 2017, 09:09 PM	#3
xandi Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2015 Location: ga Posts: 321	Thx How much work would it be to restore this gun?

March 8, 2017, 02:32 PM	#5
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,542	I knew a guy who would "restore" clunkers like this. He would shine up the metal and carve a stock out of a fence post or something to produce a wall hanger you could make up stories about. No investment but his time and a few materials.

March 8, 2017, 06:39 PM	#6
xandi Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2015 Location: ga Posts: 321	http://rs32.pbsrc.com/albums/d29/Jcs...h=480&fit=clip I couldn't find a proof mark. There is a T on the underside of the barrels, whfdsat does it mean? I cleaned the top a little http://rs32.pbsrc.com/albums/d29/Jcs...h=480&fit=clip Says "new era gun new york" there is more writing but I can't make it out Thx every one

March 8, 2017, 08:31 PM	#8
xandi Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2015 Location: ga Posts: 321	How so? What is london twist? Cost isn't really importen here . I will be doing all the work over the next 80 years or so

March 8, 2017, 08:59 PM	#9
SHR970 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 1,427	London Twist is a particular pattern of a Damascus twist pattern. There are many "Damascus" patterns. London tends to have larger variations in the iron / steel portions with Quality Control and Metallurgy of the era not exactly being up to modern standards. Google it and read up, there is a lot to know just on the subject of "Damascus " barrels.