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View Poll Results: Is 5.56 inadequate for personal protection?
Absolutely, it's an overrated varmint cartridge unfit for duty. 2 2.74%
Certainly not, it offers the best balance of range, power, and controlability. 3 4.11%
No, it's effective within its defined parameters. 63 86.30%
Somewhat, it's better than a sharp stick, but there are much better options available. 5 6.85%
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Old January 4, 2024, 05:42 AM   #126
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I never did that!! But then, I didn't train at Graf, I was "permanent party". Guess life with the boonie troops was rough!
I never did it either, it’s just a story I heard multiple times. I don’t know if it is even possible to launch a cleaning rod. All I remember is mud, lots of mud that sucked the soul out with every minute there. I’ll take sunny Ft. Irwin NTC any day over Graf, I can dodge a dirt tornado, can’t escape gloomy mud.

I remember well when I signed out that first M16 in basic training, all worn out and rattling, that also seemed futuristic. I imagine that I had a puzzled look on my face when I fired the first shot and it went “bang!, Sproing!” I don’t know if I said “what the heck?” out loud, but it was certainly in my head, lol.
I’m sure that the sproing sound didn’t boost the earlier user’s’ confidence in the gun. Funny now that it doesn’t even register to me now.
Woohoo, I’m back In Texas!!!
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Old January 4, 2024, 01:12 PM   #127
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Many gun people follow the trends, or if you are a gun writer you follow the money. Remember the .40 SW, it was the do everything cartridge until they were told the 9mm was improved. Now it's the 10mm and that is the gun to have for the great bears. The .223 was good for everything from mice to buffalo. Now that something new has come along it will be regulated to mice again. Food for thought when the .223 came out it was shooting a 50 (or so)grain bullet, then after awhile it started gaining weight by 40% or more. The war terrain also changed. We now want to shoot thru concrete blocks at longer distance. As some others have said the .223 was designed for a different pruposes than our civilian uses. My answer to the OP's question is I think the .223 is a very good varment cartridge and a good self desfence wepon.
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Old January 4, 2024, 05:35 PM   #128
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Food for thought when the .223 came out it was shooting a 50 (or so)grain bullet, then after awhile it started gaining weight by 40% or more.
When the .223/5.56mm first came out, it was a 55gr bullet at 3200fps. This out performed the .222 Rem by about 100fps. It was the same approximate performance as the .222 Rem Mag round, and that performance is handily beaten by the .219 Zipper, the .225 Winchester, the .224 Weatherby, the .22-250 and the .220 Swift.

Military requirements (or desires) led to a heavier bullet (62gr) with a drop in MV down to approximately 2900fps, and later military rifle changes, (the M4 carbine series with even shorter barrels) led to a further loss of velocity.

Match shooters discovered that even heavier (and longer) bullets were very accurate at long ranges (from barrels with fast twist rates) but the even heavier slugs (70-90gr range) go even slower, and since even the carbines these days have twists for the uber heavy slugs, velocity is down in the 2600fps, or less.

Consider this, a max loads in my Hornady manual with a 75gr bullet from a 20 inch service rifle barrel, were in the 2600 fps range, with only 4 loads that cracked 2700fps. SO, you while accurate and light recoiling you have a .22 caliber bullet that weighs half what the standard .30 caliber ball does, moving at approximately the same speed (or slightly less).

"Officially" the 5.56mm is good enough for the military, but since they have been tweaking the round and the rifles for over half a century, it seems that the official "good enough" really wasn't.
All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.
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Old January 5, 2024, 03:48 AM   #129
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Here it may suck but woods and deer or what ever will still stick with my AR 5.56 guns as they work.
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Old January 5, 2024, 04:47 AM   #130
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Growing up and deer hunting in a state where no .22 cal round was legal for big game probably helped shape my opinions a bit.

.22 centerfires, even the really hot ones were for varmints, not deer.

The state I live in now has a .24 caliber minimum for deer, as well. If you live somewhere a .223 is legal for deer, enjoy it. I never had much use for the round, I'm down to just one .223, an older Ruger Mini-14.

I do have a couple .22 Hornets, a .221 Fireball, a .222 Rem bolt gun, the mini, and a .22-250 Winchester 70 varmint. got nothing against the .223 as a cartridge, just have it bracketed above and below, so not much use for it these days.
All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.
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Old January 6, 2024, 09:48 AM   #131
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Having seen firsthand the performance on deer, pigs, and other critters of .308 hunting ammunition and .223 hunting ammunition, there is no question the .308 with hunting ammo is far more effective in wounding than the .223 with hunting ammo. With ball ammo, the results may be different. With hunting ammo designed to expand, the .308 puts a lot more energy on target.

Does that make the .223/5.56 weak or ineffective? I don't think so but I'll stick to my larger cartridges for hunting medium game like deer.
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