Help please with final choice, coyote.

Blacktail_Slayer · May 15, 2007, 12:24 AM

I am in need of a coyote gun. I have settled on Savage or Stevens. Either 204 or 223. I have found a new Stevens 223 for $275. So its either that now or a 204 later. This will be used for coyote and a little of plinking every now and then. I would like something that I can get enterance hole only shots. I have seen some with the 223 but a very good report about the 204 for it. But with a limited budget and no gun to fit this nich and going off to school this fall I am leaning toward the 223. Any opinions?

mrawesome22 · May 15, 2007, 12:56 AM

"I'll be back.". LOL

Hey Blacktail! LOL

I know I recommended a Remington in your last post but I guess I just can't change your mind

I'd go with the Savage in .223Rem trim. You'll always be able to find cheap ammo for this gun and you'll always be able to find expensive ammo for this gun.

As for the .204Ruger, you'll always be able to find expensive ammo for this gun. Cheap ammo, will be hard to come by.

Entrance holes only depends on the bullet. V-max, Blitzking, NBT, expect no exit hole on yotes.

I've shot quite a few yotes with .22-250Rem at 4000fps with 50gr V-Max and never had an exit. They just go in and turn the chest cavity into a big 'ol bowl of soup. Same with the Blitzkings. NBT's aren't accurate in my rifle so I don't use them. And nothing made by Barnes has been accurate in any of my rifles. I don't understand why they are so expensive.

But anyway, let us know what you decide on.

Gander · May 15, 2007, 03:57 AM

Blacktail,
Buy the Stevens, put a good scope on it and go shooting. You can always make it a 204 for the cost of a barrel, later. The 223 can be modified to 223 AI, or you can make it a 17 Rem. if you want to. But you can shoot it tomorrow as a 223.
Gander

FirstFreedom · May 15, 2007, 09:51 AM

Yes, +1..... get the .223. The no-exit hole thing is more a function of the ammo chosen, not the particular caliber, in these two calibers in the same family that are very close ballistically. You can find a bullet in .223 to do what you want it to do at .223 velocities, given the bullet selection out there..

fisherman66 · May 15, 2007, 10:20 AM

.223 has the price edge and the performance isn't that far behind. Throat erosion is less likely to be a problem as well. The 204 would be fine if you don't plan on shooting it a ton at paper. Third hand report say it works great on 'yotes.

If price is an issue (and you don't reload) I'd get the .223. If not, go with whatever's your preference.

garryc · May 15, 2007, 10:54 AM

223 hot stepping with a 40gr V-MAX

MDman · May 15, 2007, 11:25 AM

go savage with .223

Blacktail_Slayer · May 15, 2007, 11:02 PM

Thanks guys, thats just enforcing what I was leaning towards. Good good.

joshua · May 16, 2007, 08:45 AM

Remington VSF II in 223.

josh

Blacktail_Slayer · May 16, 2007, 09:11 AM

For one, thats a heavy barreled gun and i am going to be doing more hiking than shooting with the coyotes round here. Two, I don't have that much money to spend and don't want to spend that much. Three, I have seen the accuracy out of the box of the Savage/Stevens rifles, and its awsome. Four, I dont care for the stock on the one you said.

garryc · May 16, 2007, 11:40 AM

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For one, thats a heavy barreled gun and i am going to be doing more hiking than shooting with the coyotes round here. Two, I don't have that much money to spend and don't want to spend that much. Three, I have seen the accuracy out of the box of the Savage/Stevens rifles, and its awsome. Four, I dont care for the stock on the one you said.

Have you looked at the CZ 527? The new Ruger Hawkeye looks good too.

wolverine350 · May 16, 2007, 12:03 PM

I have the no thrills stevens 200 in 223 remington, and it is a tack driver, can cover all shots with a dime and for 279.00 is hard to beat

garryc · May 16, 2007, 12:24 PM

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I have the no thrills stevens 200 in 223 remington, and it is a tack driver, can cover all shots with a dime and for 279.00 is hard to beat

Agreed, add a trigger from here http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/ you are still around 300 bucks.

May 15, 2007, 12:24 AM	#1
Blacktail_Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2006 Posts: 224	Help please with final choice, coyote. I am in need of a coyote gun. I have settled on Savage or Stevens. Either 204 or 223. I have found a new Stevens 223 for $275. So its either that now or a 204 later. This will be used for coyote and a little of plinking every now and then. I would like something that I can get enterance hole only shots. I have seen some with the 223 but a very good report about the 204 for it. But with a limited budget and no gun to fit this nich and going off to school this fall I am leaning toward the 223. Any opinions?

May 15, 2007, 03:57 AM	#3
Gander Junior Member Join Date: March 12, 2006 Posts: 8	Stevens .223 Blacktail, Buy the Stevens, put a good scope on it and go shooting. You can always make it a 204 for the cost of a barrel, later. The 223 can be modified to 223 AI, or you can make it a 17 Rem. if you want to. But you can shoot it tomorrow as a 223. Gander

May 15, 2007, 10:20 AM	#5
fisherman66 Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2005 Location: The Woodlands TX Posts: 4,679	.223 has the price edge and the performance isn't that far behind. Throat erosion is less likely to be a problem as well. The 204 would be fine if you don't plan on shooting it a ton at paper. Third hand report say it works great on 'yotes. If price is an issue (and you don't reload) I'd get the .223. If not, go with whatever's your preference. __________________ la plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous persuader qu'il n'existe pas!

May 16, 2007, 12:03 PM	#12
wolverine350 Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2006 Location: ponca city ok Posts: 746	I have the no thrills stevens 200 in 223 remington, and it is a tack driver, can cover all shots with a dime and for 279.00 is hard to beat __________________ CVA Kodiak Magnum .50 cal Marlin 981T 22LR Bolt Action Remington 770 Bolt Action 270 Thompson Center Encore 243

May 15, 2007, 12:56 AM	#2
mrawesome22 Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2005 Location: Ohio, Appalachia's foothills. Posts: 3,779	"I'll be back.". LOL Hey Blacktail! LOL I know I recommended a Remington in your last post but I guess I just can't change your mind I'd go with the Savage in .223Rem trim. You'll always be able to find cheap ammo for this gun and you'll always be able to find expensive ammo for this gun. As for the .204Ruger, you'll always be able to find expensive ammo for this gun. Cheap ammo, will be hard to come by. Entrance holes only depends on the bullet. V-max, Blitzking, NBT, expect no exit hole on yotes. I've shot quite a few yotes with .22-250Rem at 4000fps with 50gr V-Max and never had an exit. They just go in and turn the chest cavity into a big 'ol bowl of soup. Same with the Blitzkings. NBT's aren't accurate in my rifle so I don't use them. And nothing made by Barnes has been accurate in any of my rifles. I don't understand why they are so expensive. But anyway, let us know what you decide on.

May 15, 2007, 09:51 AM	#4
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	Yes, +1..... get the .223. The no-exit hole thing is more a function of the ammo chosen, not the particular caliber, in these two calibers in the same family that are very close ballistically. You can find a bullet in .223 to do what you want it to do at .223 velocities, given the bullet selection out there..

May 15, 2007, 10:54 AM	#6
garryc Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2005 Posts: 2,536	223 hot stepping with a 40gr V-MAX

May 15, 2007, 11:25 AM	#7
MDman Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2007 Location: maryland Posts: 535	go savage with .223

May 15, 2007, 11:02 PM	#8
Blacktail_Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2006 Posts: 224	Thanks guys, thats just enforcing what I was leaning towards. Good good.

May 16, 2007, 08:45 AM	#9
joshua Senior Member Join Date: October 27, 2004 Location: norCal Posts: 2,161	Remington VSF II in 223. josh

May 16, 2007, 09:11 AM	#10
Blacktail_Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2006 Posts: 224	For one, thats a heavy barreled gun and i am going to be doing more hiking than shooting with the coyotes round here. Two, I don't have that much money to spend and don't want to spend that much. Three, I have seen the accuracy out of the box of the Savage/Stevens rifles, and its awsome. Four, I dont care for the stock on the one you said.