GECO 1933 trainer I think?

taylorce1 · July 28, 2014, 04:10 PM

I was at a gun show yesterday and saw a little military trainer in 5.4mm or .22 lr as we in America call it and had to have it. It helped the seller was willing to deal and the price was right on it as well. It needs a safety as that part is missing, but it's a cool little CRF with actual claw extractor. Near as I can tell it's a GECO 1933 pictures I found online.

Here are the pictures I was able to take last night with my cell.

Here are all the markings it has, sorry best I could do with my cell.

It has two locking lugs in the rear, this is a picture of the second lug, the other is the bolt handle.

Picture fo the claw extractor, cute little bugger.

The whole thing with the sporterized stock. The ramp on the rear sight is marked from 25-200 and I'm guessing that is in meters.

Anyone know a good source for parts? I tried good ol’ Numrich and they had nada.

James K · July 29, 2014, 03:26 PM

The Deutsches Sportmodell (German Sports Model) was the brainchild of a Nazi group called the "Fachamt Schießen in Deutschen Reichsbund für Leibesügungen", which translates to something like "Shooting Section of the German National Organization for Physical Training".

In 1934, Hitler was still pretending to observe the terms of the Versailles Treaty, and so making full power military rifles was forbidden. But there was no ban on making .22 caliber "sporting" rifles, and if those rifles happened to look and work a lot like the military K.98k (still to be officially adopted), so what? And if shooting the .22's helped train members of the future Wehrmacht, again so what?

All the German arms makers were ordered to produce those rifles, so we see them made by Geco, Walther, Mauser, etc. Per the specifications, all Sportmodell rifles had full length military type stocks, sling attachments and cleaining rods. The Geco one I had even had a bayonet lug that took the standard K.98k bayonet.

Like many of its big brother K.98k bringbacks, that DSM has had the foreend cut down and the sling hole in the stock filled in, reducing its value considerably.

You can google "deutsches sportmodell" for a lot more information, including good pictures.

Jim

**4V50 Gary** · July 30, 2014, 07:17 PM

I'd have a stockmaker make me a reproduction stock.

Better yet, find a piece of wood and take a NRA summer class to make your own. If you're on the Santa Fe Trail, Trinidad State in Colorado may be the closest NRA summer gunsmithing school.

taylorce1 · July 30, 2014, 11:47 PM

Trinidad is 90 miles away, but unfortunately I don't get that kind of vacation that I could take a class.

**4V50 Gary** · July 31, 2014, 11:00 AM

You could contact them and ask if someone can put the existing stock on the duplicator and make a pre-inletted stock for you. Then you could do it at your leisure.

James K · July 31, 2014, 09:07 PM

FWIW, I hit this site in searching. It is in England and I don't know the price or shipping costs or even if they will ship to the US, but FYI.

I wouldn't spend a lot of money on that DSM, though, unless you got a really good deal. They are pretty common and even in really good shape only bring about $500-600.

Jim

taylorce1 · July 31, 2014, 10:38 PM

James K, what site is that? I'm willing to spend a little money on it, but i need to shoot it first to see if it's worth any money. I only spent $100 on it out the door at the gunshow so I have some wiggle room.

I found Fox-Military, this guy is from Poland from what I understand. For $300 US he'll import me a repro stock. However I've as yet to locate the metal hardware.

**4V50 Gary** · August 1, 2014, 09:44 AM

$300 is cheaper than having a custom stockmaker make you that stock

James K · August 1, 2014, 10:37 AM

That is the site, and I apologize for my error in not including it above.

I think I would go for that stock and restore the rifle. I once had a DSM (I think also Geco) barrelled action with no stock. I couldn't find a stock and finally sold the barrelled action to a guy who had a stock but not the rest. I would rather have done it the other way, but his offer was good, so I took it.

Jim

gyvel · August 1, 2014, 12:40 PM

Didn't that guy "Fox-Military" get some bad press while back about something or other? Or am I thinking of another guy in Poland?

taylorce1 · August 1, 2014, 01:50 PM

Yeah, guy delivers but is slow and lead times forever and a day. I just don't like the fact you pay in full and have to wait. I'm not opposed to paying a deposit, but I hate paying in full and not receiving a product.

Then the research I'd have to do to make sure I got everything correct seems daunting. Trying to figure out the proper markings on the wood and if there are any variations to the metal I'd have to figure out. I just want to make sure if I do this I do it right.

July 28, 2014, 04:10 PM	#1
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,248	GECO 1933 trainer I think? I was at a gun show yesterday and saw a little military trainer in 5.4mm or .22 lr as we in America call it and had to have it. It helped the seller was willing to deal and the price was right on it as well. It needs a safety as that part is missing, but it's a cool little CRF with actual claw extractor. Near as I can tell it's a GECO 1933 pictures I found online. Here are the pictures I was able to take last night with my cell. Here are all the markings it has, sorry best I could do with my cell. It has two locking lugs in the rear, this is a picture of the second lug, the other is the bolt handle. Picture fo the claw extractor, cute little bugger. The whole thing with the sporterized stock. The ramp on the rear sight is marked from 25-200 and I'm guessing that is in meters. Anyone know a good source for parts? I tried good ol’ Numrich and they had nada. __________________ NRA Life Member

July 29, 2014, 03:26 PM	#2
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The Deutsches Sportmodell (German Sports Model) was the brainchild of a Nazi group called the "Fachamt Schießen in Deutschen Reichsbund für Leibesügungen", which translates to something like "Shooting Section of the German National Organization for Physical Training". In 1934, Hitler was still pretending to observe the terms of the Versailles Treaty, and so making full power military rifles was forbidden. But there was no ban on making .22 caliber "sporting" rifles, and if those rifles happened to look and work a lot like the military K.98k (still to be officially adopted), so what? And if shooting the .22's helped train members of the future Wehrmacht, again so what? All the German arms makers were ordered to produce those rifles, so we see them made by Geco, Walther, Mauser, etc. Per the specifications, all Sportmodell rifles had full length military type stocks, sling attachments and cleaining rods. The Geco one I had even had a bayonet lug that took the standard K.98k bayonet. Like many of its big brother K.98k bringbacks, that DSM has had the foreend cut down and the sling hole in the stock filled in, reducing its value considerably. You can google "deutsches sportmodell" for a lot more information, including good pictures. Jim Last edited by James K; July 29, 2014 at 06:15 PM.

July 30, 2014, 07:17 PM	#3
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,838	For restoration purposes I'd have a stockmaker make me a reproduction stock. Better yet, find a piece of wood and take a NRA summer class to make your own. If you're on the Santa Fe Trail, Trinidad State in Colorado may be the closest NRA summer gunsmithing school. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

July 30, 2014, 11:47 PM	#4
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,248	Trinidad is 90 miles away, but unfortunately I don't get that kind of vacation that I could take a class. __________________ NRA Life Member

July 31, 2014, 11:00 AM	#5
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,838	You could contact them and ask if someone can put the existing stock on the duplicator and make a pre-inletted stock for you. Then you could do it at your leisure. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

July 31, 2014, 09:07 PM	#6
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	FWIW, I hit this site in searching. It is in England and I don't know the price or shipping costs or even if they will ship to the US, but FYI. I wouldn't spend a lot of money on that DSM, though, unless you got a really good deal. They are pretty common and even in really good shape only bring about $500-600. Jim

July 31, 2014, 10:38 PM	#7
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,248	James K, what site is that? I'm willing to spend a little money on it, but i need to shoot it first to see if it's worth any money. I only spent $100 on it out the door at the gunshow so I have some wiggle room. I found Fox-Military, this guy is from Poland from what I understand. For $300 US he'll import me a repro stock. However I've as yet to locate the metal hardware. __________________ NRA Life Member

August 1, 2014, 09:44 AM	#8
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,838	$300 is cheaper than having a custom stockmaker make you that stock __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

August 1, 2014, 10:37 AM	#9
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	That is the site, and I apologize for my error in not including it above. I think I would go for that stock and restore the rifle. I once had a DSM (I think also Geco) barrelled action with no stock. I couldn't find a stock and finally sold the barrelled action to a guy who had a stock but not the rest. I would rather have done it the other way, but his offer was good, so I took it. Jim

August 1, 2014, 12:40 PM	#10
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Didn't that guy "Fox-Military" get some bad press while back about something or other? Or am I thinking of another guy in Poland? __________________ As always, YMMV. __________________________________________ MIIAA SIFE

August 1, 2014, 01:50 PM	#11
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,248	Yeah, guy delivers but is slow and lead times forever and a day. I just don't like the fact you pay in full and have to wait. I'm not opposed to paying a deposit, but I hate paying in full and not receiving a product. Then the research I'd have to do to make sure I got everything correct seems daunting. Trying to figure out the proper markings on the wood and if there are any variations to the metal I'd have to figure out. I just want to make sure if I do this I do it right. __________________ NRA Life Member