Non-resistance and statistics

MLeake · January 17, 2012, 10:09 PM

It's often suggested here that robbers are not likely to harm people during a robbery of a store or fast food joint.

Apparently, this guy didn't get the memo:

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/17...k=omni_popular

One pistol-whipping, one shooting, in just a few days.

Statistically, the claim that an attempt at self-defense is more likely to result in violence than non-resistance may have some validity.

I'd sure hate to be one of those people getting shot or maimed, though, because I didn't comply satisfactorily enough, or because I caught a bad guy on a day when he was feeling kind of evil.

trex1310 · January 17, 2012, 10:15 PM

It makes sense that there are more robberies than there are murders.
Unfortunately, the armed robber might be one of those 3 time losers
where it is just as easy to kill you as leave you as a witness. Guessing
what an armed robber might do is where the rub comes in.

12GaugeShuggoth · January 17, 2012, 10:25 PM

Trying to say that resisting or not resisting is more likely to lead to a certain outcome is silly. No two criminals are exactly the same and no two robberies/muggings/hold-ups are exactly the same. The individual situation determines everything.

I've known people who have complied and not been harmed, also known people who have resisted and not been harmed. Any of them could've just as easily been seriously injured and/or murdered. If it should ever happen to me, I guess I'll have to find out in the moment which list I fall in to. It's not something any of us look forward to.

kinggabby · January 18, 2012, 12:28 AM

We should never resist a bad guy. In fact we should give up our guns because no bad guy would ever hurt or kill an unarmed person. Our idea of being able to protect ourselves is purely and illusion. In fact when we decide to lay down our firearms Joe Friday,Kojak, Sam Spade Phillip Marlowe and Roscoe P. Coltrane will all come to our rescue before we get robbed,mugged shot or raped. And I forgot Superman, Spider-man, The Green Lantern and most important of all Captain America will rid us of all evil doers in not just America but through out the entire world.So we as gun owners live in a real fantasy world. Silly us

tlm225 · January 18, 2012, 12:53 AM

Yes, most robberies end without injury. The problem I have is allowing some crackhead with a gun/knife/club to have all the control over the situation and having the power of life or death over me. If a reasonable opportunity is there, I'm taking control away from him, not spending what may be the rest of my life wondering if the coin is going to land heads or tails.

January 17, 2012, 10:09 PM	#1
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	Non-resistance and statistics It's often suggested here that robbers are not likely to harm people during a robbery of a store or fast food joint. Apparently, this guy didn't get the memo: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/17...k=omni_popular One pistol-whipping, one shooting, in just a few days. Statistically, the claim that an attempt at self-defense is more likely to result in violence than non-resistance may have some validity. I'd sure hate to be one of those people getting shot or maimed, though, because I didn't comply satisfactorily enough, or because I caught a bad guy on a day when he was feeling kind of evil.

January 17, 2012, 10:15 PM	#2
trex1310 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2009 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 389	It makes sense that there are more robberies than there are murders. Unfortunately, the armed robber might be one of those 3 time losers where it is just as easy to kill you as leave you as a witness. Guessing what an armed robber might do is where the rub comes in. __________________ NRA Life Member Certified in laziness Certified in watching TV Certified in BBQ on the Green Egg

January 17, 2012, 10:25 PM	#3
12GaugeShuggoth Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 534	Trying to say that resisting or not resisting is more likely to lead to a certain outcome is silly. No two criminals are exactly the same and no two robberies/muggings/hold-ups are exactly the same. The individual situation determines everything. I've known people who have complied and not been harmed, also known people who have resisted and not been harmed. Any of them could've just as easily been seriously injured and/or murdered. If it should ever happen to me, I guess I'll have to find out in the moment which list I fall in to. It's not something any of us look forward to. __________________ ---Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.--- ---Enlightenment is the ability to take infinite pains--- MOLON LABE

January 18, 2012, 12:53 AM	#5
tlm225 Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 962	Yes, most robberies end without injury. The problem I have is allowing some crackhead with a gun/knife/club to have all the control over the situation and having the power of life or death over me. If a reasonable opportunity is there, I'm taking control away from him, not spending what may be the rest of my life wondering if the coin is going to land heads or tails. __________________ All that is neccessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

January 18, 2012, 12:28 AM	#4
kinggabby Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 502	We should never resist a bad guy. In fact we should give up our guns because no bad guy would ever hurt or kill an unarmed person. Our idea of being able to protect ourselves is purely and illusion. In fact when we decide to lay down our firearms Joe Friday,Kojak, Sam Spade Phillip Marlowe and Roscoe P. Coltrane will all come to our rescue before we get robbed,mugged shot or raped. And I forgot Superman, Spider-man, The Green Lantern and most important of all Captain America will rid us of all evil doers in not just America but through out the entire world.So we as gun owners live in a real fantasy world. Silly us