Just the movies or for real? - Page 2

hartlock · October 14, 2011, 01:45 PM

Oh, please! We all know where this crap came from!
Everyone is just being too politically correct to admit
it! I think the poster with the "home-boy" sight ad
is closest to reality on here! Good grief!

C0untZer0 · October 14, 2011, 02:11 PM

I just hope that if I ever do get into a shootout with a thug - the side grip is the only thing he knows...

It's actually a pretty lazy grip though, I am betting that there probably is a 50 degree variance with how different criminals hold the pistol with some of them holding more 45° and even some holding it a few degrees South of horizontal.

Seaman · October 14, 2011, 04:41 PM

"Those are obviously not the original sights on that 1912! No wonder they 'blew off'." [Sleuth]

Actually the patina on the pistol matches the patina on the sights, and the sights are of a very high quality which is consistent with a Steyr product.

It may have more to do with the 9mm para ammo used, rated at 460 ft lbs and 1300+ fps. Sharp recoil.

aarondhgraham · October 14, 2011, 04:45 PM

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Oh, geez, aarond, please tell me that is not a real product

I surely hope not,,,
But I have a friend who glued some old sights on his Glock,,,
They only stayed on for a few rounds but he did get some weird looks at the range.

Aarond

Tactical Jackalope · October 14, 2011, 04:51 PM

Don't know about that. I'd never try it.

I have dual wielded 1911's before...total aesthetics. Lol

SA 1911 - XD45 - G21sf - G22 - G27 - Hk USP 40 - SIG P226 E2 - Browning High-Power - S&W M19-3 - CZ-82 - S&W 642 - Remington 870

Sleuth · October 14, 2011, 05:13 PM

Seaman, the patina may match, but I have never seen a M1912 with adjustable sights, and I have been collecting and studying military handguns since ....... well, a long time. My 1912 has fixed sights, as do all the ones I have ever seen.

I would guess those sights are circa 1970, most likely Bo Mar's or a knockoff.

And the quote about holding full autos sideways is clearly written by someone who has never fired a Grease Gun (M3 or M3A1), or studied history. The M3 was developed in the 1940's, and has a very slow (400 RPM) rate of fire. It is very controllable.
The Schnellfuer ("Fast Fire" or full auto) Mausers are a different story, particularly in the hands of untrained troops. The down side to firing a full auto sideways, ejection port up, is the chance that an ejected case will land back in the ejection port, causing a stoppage.

But doing so is awkward, more awkward than simply moving the gun (held normally) in a sweeping motion.

Seaman · October 14, 2011, 08:48 PM

"Seaman, the patina may match, but I have never seen a M1912 with adjustable sights, and I have been collecting and studying military handguns since .......well, a long time. My 1912 has fixed sights, as do all the ones I have ever seen." [Sleuth]

Sleuth, you are right about that, I have never seen anything like it either, was the reason I acquired it (thought some officer must have put in a special order) and I've been collecting a long time too, have stuff back to the time of Vespasian, so I know a little about antiquities, relics, and such.

The Steyr M1912 handled the 9mm para well, except for losing its sights. Also had the front sights blow off a couple of WW1 era Walthers.

That same 9mm ammo jammed up my Walther P99 and Beretta 92.

Something to be said for old steel.

CajunBass · October 15, 2011, 03:42 AM

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Oh, geez, aarond, please tell me that is not a real product

Well, no. They're not. That didn't stop the Richmond (Va.) police department, and the City Council from grabbing the ball and running for daylight with it.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-gag.html

Stressfire · October 15, 2011, 01:02 PM

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Oh, geez, aarond, please tell me that is not a real product

Well, no. They're not. That didn't stop the Richmond (Va.) police department, and the City Council from grabbing the ball and running for daylight with it.

ROFLMAO, all I can say is....wow....

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I have dual wielded 1911's before...total aesthetics.

As have I, and I gotta say, I did more damage to the trees next to the target than the target itself, what's The Punisher's secret exactly? Must be the compensators

Mello2u · October 15, 2011, 07:44 PM

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KMAX

Just the movies or for real?

Two things I see in movies and TV shows which have become "pet peeves" are:
1) When someone opens a S&W revolver, spins the cylinder to check to see if it is loaded and there is a sound like you hear when you spin the cylinder on a Colt SAA with the hammer at half cock and the loading gate open. S&W cylinder spins silently when the cylinder is released out of the frame.
2) When someone walks around holding a handgun right by their face (usually in anticipation of an armed confrontation) so the camera can get there "acting" expression and the gun in the same shot. Oh yea, their finger is on the trigger too.

KMAX · October 15, 2011, 10:11 PM

Mello.
Thanks for pointing out the cylinder spin clicking. Never really gave that much thought but have seen it. Another peeve is silencers on revolvers. Another is in "Full Metal Jacket" where Clint Eastwood carries the AK47 when the two platoons are competing to get to the bear pit first. I can accept the use of it in the scene where he live fires to introduce the troops to the favored weapon of the enemy, but not after that. Still really like that movie. Will probably be watching for more phony theatrics involving firearms.

sigcurious · October 15, 2011, 10:36 PM

Kmax, do you mean heartbreak ridge?

KMAX · October 16, 2011, 11:53 AM

Yes. I was talking about Heartbreak Ridge. Love both movies and watch them both often enough I shouldn't get the titles confused, Thanks.

MrWesson · October 16, 2011, 12:16 PM

there is a method of one handed shooting where your hand is slightly canted to where it rests naturally. It takes more muscles to hold your hand straight one handed than it does to have it slightly canted to the left(for a righty).

Sleuth · October 16, 2011, 03:06 PM

OK another movie pet peeve, seen over and over in "U.S. Marshals". An on duty officer, chasing a escaped murderer, draws his pistol and has to CHAMBER A ROUND!

In fact, in 'the drainage tunnel' Tommy Lee Jones does it 2 or 3 times with the same gun!!!

But then, movies are magic!!

October 14, 2011, 04:41 PM	#28
Seaman Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2011 Posts: 654	"Those are obviously not the original sights on that 1912! No wonder they 'blew off'." [Sleuth] Actually the patina on the pistol matches the patina on the sights, and the sights are of a very high quality which is consistent with a Steyr product. It may have more to do with the 9mm para ammo used, rated at 460 ft lbs and 1300+ fps. Sharp recoil. __________________ For 20 years the sea was my home, always recall the sun going down, and my trusty friend, a 1911 pistol, strapped to my side.

October 14, 2011, 05:13 PM	#31
Sleuth Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 445	Seaman, the patina may match, but I have never seen a M1912 with adjustable sights, and I have been collecting and studying military handguns since ....... well, a long time. My 1912 has fixed sights, as do all the ones I have ever seen. I would guess those sights are circa 1970, most likely Bo Mar's or a knockoff. And the quote about holding full autos sideways is clearly written by someone who has never fired a Grease Gun (M3 or M3A1), or studied history. The M3 was developed in the 1940's, and has a very slow (400 RPM) rate of fire. It is very controllable. The Schnellfuer ("Fast Fire" or full auto) Mausers are a different story, particularly in the hands of untrained troops. The down side to firing a full auto sideways, ejection port up, is the chance that an ejected case will land back in the ejection port, causing a stoppage. But doing so is awkward, more awkward than simply moving the gun (held normally) in a sweeping motion. __________________ Sleuth Last edited by Sleuth; October 14, 2011 at 05:22 PM.

October 14, 2011, 08:48 PM	#32
Seaman Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2011 Posts: 654	"Seaman, the patina may match, but I have never seen a M1912 with adjustable sights, and I have been collecting and studying military handguns since .......well, a long time. My 1912 has fixed sights, as do all the ones I have ever seen." [Sleuth] Sleuth, you are right about that, I have never seen anything like it either, was the reason I acquired it (thought some officer must have put in a special order) and I've been collecting a long time too, have stuff back to the time of Vespasian, so I know a little about antiquities, relics, and such. The Steyr M1912 handled the 9mm para well, except for losing its sights. Also had the front sights blow off a couple of WW1 era Walthers. That same 9mm ammo jammed up my Walther P99 and Beretta 92. Something to be said for old steel. __________________ For 20 years the sea was my home, always recall the sun going down, and my trusty friend, a 1911 pistol, strapped to my side.

October 15, 2011, 10:11 PM	#36
KMAX Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 1,185	Another peeve. Mello. Thanks for pointing out the cylinder spin clicking. Never really gave that much thought but have seen it. Another peeve is silencers on revolvers. Another is in "Full Metal Jacket" where Clint Eastwood carries the AK47 when the two platoons are competing to get to the bear pit first. I can accept the use of it in the scene where he live fires to introduce the troops to the favored weapon of the enemy, but not after that. Still really like that movie. Will probably be watching for more phony theatrics involving firearms.

October 16, 2011, 11:53 AM	#38
KMAX Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 1,185	Indeed Yes. I was talking about Heartbreak Ridge. Love both movies and watch them both often enough I shouldn't get the titles confused, Thanks.

October 14, 2011, 01:45 PM	#26
hartlock Junior member Join Date: January 10, 2010 Location: lockhart, texas Posts: 161	Oh, please! We all know where this crap came from! Everyone is just being too politically correct to admit it! I think the poster with the "home-boy" sight ad is closest to reality on here! Good grief!

October 14, 2011, 02:11 PM	#27
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I just hope that if I ever do get into a shootout with a thug - the side grip is the only thing he knows... It's actually a pretty lazy grip though, I am betting that there probably is a 50 degree variance with how different criminals hold the pistol with some of them holding more 45° and even some holding it a few degrees South of horizontal.

October 14, 2011, 04:51 PM	#30
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429	Don't know about that. I'd never try it. I have dual wielded 1911's before...total aesthetics. Lol SA 1911 - XD45 - G21sf - G22 - G27 - Hk USP 40 - SIG P226 E2 - Browning High-Power - S&W M19-3 - CZ-82 - S&W 642 - Remington 870

October 15, 2011, 10:36 PM	#37
sigcurious Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2011 Posts: 1,755	Kmax, do you mean heartbreak ridge?

October 16, 2011, 12:16 PM	#39
MrWesson Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2010 Posts: 357	there is a method of one handed shooting where your hand is slightly canted to where it rests naturally. It takes more muscles to hold your hand straight one handed than it does to have it slightly canted to the left(for a righty).

October 16, 2011, 03:06 PM	#40
Sleuth Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 445	OK another movie pet peeve, seen over and over in "U.S. Marshals". An on duty officer, chasing a escaped murderer, draws his pistol and has to CHAMBER A ROUND! In fact, in 'the drainage tunnel' Tommy Lee Jones does it 2 or 3 times with the same gun!!! But then, movies are magic!! __________________ Sleuth