UZI or MP5

Firepower! · March 4, 2009, 01:05 PM

Which is a better SMG: UZI or MP5?

Thanks

1911 Shooter · March 4, 2009, 01:18 PM

Mp5 for shooting. However, get your wallet out . 20K would be no problem for a mp5 & 8K for a uzi.

Firepower! · March 4, 2009, 01:52 PM

Where I live:

UZI is about 4000$
and
MP5 is about 2000$

I wanted to know which is more reliable. I see no one using UZI except Isreal. Whereas MP5 is all over the place.

Why?

Bartholomew Roberts · March 4, 2009, 02:06 PM

I've shot a fair amount of ammo through both (full-auto). They really reflect two different philosophies on subgun design (550rpm, open-bolt, mag in pistol grip vs. 800rpm, closed-bolt, magwell).

Both are classic firearms. The Uzi is probably the winner from a maintenance and reliability standpoint; but in every other point I like the MP5 better (ergos, accuracy, controllability). As long as nothing on the MP5 requires it being sent back to H&K or getting a part from H&K, it runs just fine. Both are more than adequate for the role they are designed to fufill.

partemisio · March 4, 2009, 02:15 PM

MP5 hands down in my opinion. Where do you live that you are able to get it for that price?

Firepower! · March 4, 2009, 02:54 PM

Pakistan.

Btw HK USP costs more than Mp5 here!!!

So you are saying uzi is more reliable?

partemisio · March 4, 2009, 02:56 PM

Send me a few. I will add $1,000 for each.

Bartholomew Roberts · March 4, 2009, 03:28 PM

The Uzi is slightly less likely to break and easier to get parts/fix yourself if it does. I love the MP5 but H&K customer service was less than spectacular - at first I attributed this to being non-military/LEO; but in talking with those guys they had similar problems trying to get stuff from H&K. In any case, I haven't fired a full-auto version of either in about a decade.

I am guessing you won't be relying on HK-USA for your maintenance issues, so probably less of a problem for you.

Chipperman · March 4, 2009, 04:11 PM

I own an MP5, and have fired many an Uzi. I pretty much agree with what Batholomew said. Uzi is darn near indestructible. MP5 is very reliable, but you'd have to give the Uzi a slight edge there. The MP5 is much more accurate and comfortable shooting.

If I were by myself and engaging targets only in CQB, I'd take the Uzi. If I were shooting longer distance, especially if I were not alone, I'd take the MP5. Reliability is not quite as much of a concern if you have partner(s) to help if your primary weapon goes down.

Firepower! · March 5, 2009, 05:00 PM

I had an mp5 and wanted to pair it up with another smg.

Instead of another mp5, today, i bought an uzi.

Thank you for your responses. I will post pictures once it delivered.

rkba_net · March 7, 2009, 05:50 AM

MP5's are more accurate, since they fire from a closed bolt. Also you have a greater selection of accessories.

Firepower! · March 8, 2009, 09:14 AM

I agree. I bought Uzi because I have MP5 and did not have Uzi.

Brian48 · March 8, 2009, 01:40 PM

I've never been impressed with UZIs. Trained with a State Dept. issued one when I was undergoing training for embassy duty during my days in the USMC.

FALPhil · March 8, 2009, 02:18 PM

Have any of you guys shot a MAC-10 with a rate reducer in it? They are winning the subgun matches in my neck of the woods.

hknut · March 8, 2009, 09:42 PM

MP5 hands down the better subgun. And the SD is REALLY QUIET!

Jim6298 · March 9, 2009, 05:26 AM

I've had both i was a class 3 dealer for 15 yrs. Mp5 is better overall for handling and fast shooting and more accurate. BUT do not count the UZI out i've seen some very accurate for a slam bolt shooter. 1,000 or police depts around the world still use it as do many countries. Very Reliable. I do have a Pre May Dealer sample I'm thinking of selling. But you have to be a dealer or police dept to buy it. [email protected]

Firepower! · March 9, 2009, 03:43 PM

Why is Uzi made with open bolt? What are the advantages and draw backs?

SDC · March 9, 2009, 04:13 PM

Mainly simplicity; an open-bolt SMG is probably the simplest firearm to manufacture in the world. That also makes maintenance and parts replacement easier.

The normal drawbacks are considered to be:

a lack of accuracy (as the bolt jumps forward, it moves the gun off the point of aim, but at close range, that doesn't really matter)

more safety issues (earlier open-bolt guns were known to be susceptible to accidental firing if the gun was dropped or struck on the butt hard enough to cause the bolt to move to the rear, pick up a round, and then fire it as it's chambered. The UZI was designed with a grip safety to block the movement of the bolt unless that grip safety was held in)

the open bolt itself is more likely to let all sorts of foreign matter into the receiver, unless it's carried with the bolt closed and a loaded mag inserted (which is where the grip safety comes in)

Willie Lowman · March 10, 2009, 11:38 AM

The sheer simplicity of the Uzi is it's advantage. I can break my Uzi into it's component parts in under a minute with no tools. I can change a broken part or a bulged/shot out/squibbed barrel in seconds.

The Uzi is like the 4x4 truck of the subgun world whereas the MP5 is like the German luxury car.

I would take my Uzi places where I would leave a borrowed MP behind.

Sparks2112 · March 10, 2009, 01:38 PM

I've got a fair amount of experience with MP5's and a Micro-Uzi FA.

I see the Uzi as an extreme CQB weapon. The open bolt can be, confusing, if you're not used to it and you aren't paying attention. It does keep the weapon coller however, and allows for a higher rate of fire.

MP5's are more versatile in my opinion, and easier to fire accurately.

If you're handing them out to your guards I would give it to whoever your most safety conscious/fire disciplined is. They're VERY easy to empty before you know it.

Ruthless4christ · March 10, 2009, 02:06 PM

I think firepower should get some .45 mac 10s. He wants something to shoot from a car, and the rate of fire is high anuf to get a whole clip of ammo into the target while moving quickly. As far as the recoil due to the bolt moving.... You get used to it with a litle practice.

Maromero · March 10, 2009, 02:16 PM

Ruthless4christ: Let me get a grasp of this. You are a missionary in rural Guatemala with ample knowledge and experience with automatic weapons? A missionary?, armed? I know Guatemala is no walk in the park, that you must occasionally deal with "rebels", the military (not your friendly or neighborly army) and private militias in the course of your "missions" but it's strange.

Happy for you. Good luck and stay safe.

Ruthless4christ · March 10, 2009, 02:41 PM

ok maromero, im a little confused by your post... Is an "ample knowledge of automatic weapons" wrong or bad? If so why are you on the nfa thread?

Firepower! · March 10, 2009, 02:59 PM

Like I stated above, I bought Uzi. I fired three magazines from it and did not like the accuracy. I returned it! Instead of asking for refund I got an MP5 full stock.

Another thing I did not like about was that it was heavy and not smooth. It was the biggest turn off.

In future I will look for mini Uzi and check that out.

I do like the above comment on open bolt and keeping weapon cool point.

Does anyone have any experience with she aka sa.26 a .30 smg?

SDC · March 10, 2009, 03:32 PM

The VZ-26 (CZ's German wartime manufacturing code was "she") was one of the firearms that Uziel Gal looked at in designing the UZI, so if you're not really fond of the UZI, you may not like it either. It's basically an UZI with a tubular receiver, but with an odd sort of fire control system; instead of a fire selector, this SMG fires semi-auto or full-auto depending on how far back the trigger is pulled, meaning that trigger control is VERY important (sort of like the selective-fire AUG).

March 4, 2009, 01:05 PM	#1
Firepower! Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2008 Posts: 2,109	UZI or MP5 Which is a better SMG: UZI or MP5? Thanks

March 7, 2009, 05:50 AM	#11
rkba_net Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2000 Posts: 153	MP5's are more accurate, since they fire from a closed bolt. Also you have a greater selection of accessories. Last edited by rkba_net; March 9, 2009 at 01:53 AM.

March 8, 2009, 09:42 PM	#15
hknut Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2005 Location: Olympia, Wa. Posts: 535	MP5 hands down the better subgun. And the SD is REALLY QUIET! __________________ "Gun control is like trying to reduce Drunk Driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars" Walk softly and carry a big SIG.

March 9, 2009, 05:26 AM	#16
Jim6298 Junior member Join Date: August 23, 2007 Location: East subs of Cleveland ohio Posts: 8	UZI or MP5 I've had both i was a class 3 dealer for 15 yrs. Mp5 is better overall for handling and fast shooting and more accurate. BUT do not count the UZI out i've seen some very accurate for a slam bolt shooter. 1,000 or police depts around the world still use it as do many countries. Very Reliable. I do have a Pre May Dealer sample I'm thinking of selling. But you have to be a dealer or police dept to buy it. [email protected]

March 9, 2009, 04:13 PM	#18
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	Mainly simplicity; an open-bolt SMG is probably the simplest firearm to manufacture in the world. That also makes maintenance and parts replacement easier. The normal drawbacks are considered to be: a lack of accuracy (as the bolt jumps forward, it moves the gun off the point of aim, but at close range, that doesn't really matter) more safety issues (earlier open-bolt guns were known to be susceptible to accidental firing if the gun was dropped or struck on the butt hard enough to cause the bolt to move to the rear, pick up a round, and then fire it as it's chambered. The UZI was designed with a grip safety to block the movement of the bolt unless that grip safety was held in) the open bolt itself is more likely to let all sorts of foreign matter into the receiver, unless it's carried with the bolt closed and a loaded mag inserted (which is where the grip safety comes in) __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

March 4, 2009, 01:18 PM	#2
1911 Shooter Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Posts: 124	Mp5 for shooting. However, get your wallet out . 20K would be no problem for a mp5 & 8K for a uzi.

March 4, 2009, 01:52 PM	#3
Firepower! Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2008 Posts: 2,109	Where I live: UZI is about 4000$ and MP5 is about 2000$ I wanted to know which is more reliable. I see no one using UZI except Isreal. Whereas MP5 is all over the place. Why?

March 4, 2009, 02:06 PM	#4
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	I've shot a fair amount of ammo through both (full-auto). They really reflect two different philosophies on subgun design (550rpm, open-bolt, mag in pistol grip vs. 800rpm, closed-bolt, magwell). Both are classic firearms. The Uzi is probably the winner from a maintenance and reliability standpoint; but in every other point I like the MP5 better (ergos, accuracy, controllability). As long as nothing on the MP5 requires it being sent back to H&K or getting a part from H&K, it runs just fine. Both are more than adequate for the role they are designed to fufill.

March 4, 2009, 02:15 PM	#5
partemisio Member Join Date: March 3, 2009 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 65	MP5 hands down in my opinion. Where do you live that you are able to get it for that price?

March 4, 2009, 02:54 PM	#6
Firepower! Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2008 Posts: 2,109	Pakistan. Btw HK USP costs more than Mp5 here!!! So you are saying uzi is more reliable?

March 4, 2009, 02:56 PM	#7
partemisio Member Join Date: March 3, 2009 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 65	Send me a few. I will add $1,000 for each.

March 4, 2009, 03:28 PM	#8
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	The Uzi is slightly less likely to break and easier to get parts/fix yourself if it does. I love the MP5 but H&K customer service was less than spectacular - at first I attributed this to being non-military/LEO; but in talking with those guys they had similar problems trying to get stuff from H&K. In any case, I haven't fired a full-auto version of either in about a decade. I am guessing you won't be relying on HK-USA for your maintenance issues, so probably less of a problem for you.

March 4, 2009, 04:11 PM	#9
Chipperman Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2000 Location: Live Free or Die, Baby! Posts: 1,550	I own an MP5, and have fired many an Uzi. I pretty much agree with what Batholomew said. Uzi is darn near indestructible. MP5 is very reliable, but you'd have to give the Uzi a slight edge there. The MP5 is much more accurate and comfortable shooting. If I were by myself and engaging targets only in CQB, I'd take the Uzi. If I were shooting longer distance, especially if I were not alone, I'd take the MP5. Reliability is not quite as much of a concern if you have partner(s) to help if your primary weapon goes down.

March 5, 2009, 05:00 PM	#10
Firepower! Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2008 Posts: 2,109	I had an mp5 and wanted to pair it up with another smg. Instead of another mp5, today, i bought an uzi. Thank you for your responses. I will post pictures once it delivered.

March 8, 2009, 09:14 AM	#12
Firepower! Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2008 Posts: 2,109	I agree. I bought Uzi because I have MP5 and did not have Uzi.

March 8, 2009, 01:40 PM	#13
Brian48 Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2001 Location: Boston, People's Republic of MA Posts: 1,616	I've never been impressed with UZIs. Trained with a State Dept. issued one when I was undergoing training for embassy duty during my days in the USMC.

March 8, 2009, 02:18 PM	#14
FALPhil Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 2007 Location: Racoon City Posts: 934	Have any of you guys shot a MAC-10 with a rate reducer in it? They are winning the subgun matches in my neck of the woods.

March 9, 2009, 03:43 PM	#17
Firepower! Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2008 Posts: 2,109	Why is Uzi made with open bolt? What are the advantages and draw backs?

March 10, 2009, 11:38 AM	#19
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	The sheer simplicity of the Uzi is it's advantage. I can break my Uzi into it's component parts in under a minute with no tools. I can change a broken part or a bulged/shot out/squibbed barrel in seconds. The Uzi is like the 4x4 truck of the subgun world whereas the MP5 is like the German luxury car. I would take my Uzi places where I would leave a borrowed MP behind. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

March 10, 2009, 01:38 PM	#20
Sparks2112 Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2008 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 479	I've got a fair amount of experience with MP5's and a Micro-Uzi FA. I see the Uzi as an extreme CQB weapon. The open bolt can be, confusing, if you're not used to it and you aren't paying attention. It does keep the weapon coller however, and allows for a higher rate of fire. MP5's are more versatile in my opinion, and easier to fire accurately. If you're handing them out to your guards I would give it to whoever your most safety conscious/fire disciplined is. They're VERY easy to empty before you know it. __________________ -- Sparks AKA J.M. Johnston

March 10, 2009, 02:06 PM	#21
Ruthless4christ Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Location: CNY Posts: 790	I think firepower should get some .45 mac 10s. He wants something to shoot from a car, and the rate of fire is high anuf to get a whole clip of ammo into the target while moving quickly. As far as the recoil due to the bolt moving.... You get used to it with a litle practice.

March 10, 2009, 02:16 PM	#22
Maromero Junior member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Location: Outside the continental U Posts: 752	Ruthless4christ: Let me get a grasp of this. You are a missionary in rural Guatemala with ample knowledge and experience with automatic weapons? A missionary?, armed? I know Guatemala is no walk in the park, that you must occasionally deal with "rebels", the military (not your friendly or neighborly army) and private militias in the course of your "missions" but it's strange. Happy for you. Good luck and stay safe.

March 10, 2009, 02:41 PM	#23
Ruthless4christ Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Location: CNY Posts: 790	ok maromero, im a little confused by your post... Is an "ample knowledge of automatic weapons" wrong or bad? If so why are you on the nfa thread?

March 10, 2009, 02:59 PM	#24
Firepower! Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2008 Posts: 2,109	Like I stated above, I bought Uzi. I fired three magazines from it and did not like the accuracy. I returned it! Instead of asking for refund I got an MP5 full stock. Another thing I did not like about was that it was heavy and not smooth. It was the biggest turn off. In future I will look for mini Uzi and check that out. I do like the above comment on open bolt and keeping weapon cool point. Does anyone have any experience with she aka sa.26 a .30 smg?

March 10, 2009, 03:32 PM	#25
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	The VZ-26 (CZ's German wartime manufacturing code was "she") was one of the firearms that Uziel Gal looked at in designing the UZI, so if you're not really fond of the UZI, you may not like it either. It's basically an UZI with a tubular receiver, but with an odd sort of fire control system; instead of a fire selector, this SMG fires semi-auto or full-auto depending on how far back the trigger is pulled, meaning that trigger control is VERY important (sort of like the selective-fire AUG). __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.