Bullet 2nds

Tlewis81 · August 20, 2016, 11:34 AM

Whats ur feeling on seconds??? Little cheaper i see....expierences...tested along side the normal factory 1s?

T. O'Heir · August 20, 2016, 11:55 AM

Seconds are just cosmetically unpleasing. Tiny chunks out of the jackets, etc. However, they shoot just fine. The only part of a bullet that matters is the base.

jwrowland77 · August 20, 2016, 12:49 PM

I use seconds all the time for hunting applications. I use Partitions. Never any issues.

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Reloader2 · August 20, 2016, 05:18 PM

I've had seconds that were different specs than the regular run bullets.
Measure 2nds to make sure they are what you think they are.

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reddog81 · August 20, 2016, 05:30 PM

I've always had good luck with seconds but I imagine sometimes there would issues that could cause problems. If you buy from a reputable dealer you should get an accurate description.

WVMountaineer · August 21, 2016, 12:45 AM

I bought 600 bullets of Nosler Partition 2nds in 180 grain. Of the 75 or so I've shot building a load and hunting, they are dialed into less than 3/4 inch at 100 yards. They have performed flawlessly on game as well. However, I've had 2nd Corelokts that blew up on impact. I have No complaints with the Nosler but, will never buy a Corelokt 2nd for hunting again. God Bless

Mike / Tx · August 21, 2016, 07:42 AM

I have been using them for years, mostlyfor hunting purposes. There have been some that were missing tips or weren't formed just right but they were probably less than two dozen out of several thousands I have purchased and shot.

If they shoot at or under 1.5" at 100-200yds they are good enough for most of my needs.

I have heard, not verified, that usually these are the ones they make when setting up the presses or changing out dies for a large run. They might be off just a little here or there, or may or may not have a cannalure. They may also have been slated for factory loaded ammo but for whatever reason didn't get used or were over runs. Either way they are surely usable.

Jim Watson · August 21, 2016, 08:17 AM

At one time, I shot a lot of pistol seconds, I would order a couple of thousand whenever the type I preferred was offered.
Over several years, the defects got worse and the discount was less, so I quit.

hooligan1 · August 21, 2016, 08:24 AM

I now use them, thanks to Taylorce1 turning me on to Pro Shooter Supply.
I found that jacket consistancy varies but only minimally, and doesn't effect consistant grouping.
I will be using 150 ABLR seconds for deer this season through my .270 win. They're amazingly accurate with the load I came up with, that load also thanks to Taylorce1 for helping me with dynamite powder selection.

g.willikers · August 21, 2016, 09:29 AM

I've bought plenty of bullets that looked like they should have been declared as seconds.
But they always shot good.
It all depends on who made them and how off they really are.
Like so many things about reloading, it all depends.

briandg · August 21, 2016, 10:55 AM

I purchased a fartload of nosler 180 .308 many years ago, and still have many of them. What I noticed was that the jackets were crinkled at the tip. This couldn't affect accuracy, couldn't affect terminal performance.

its possible that quality checks could reveal problems and the entire run would be dumped as seconds, im not sure that id use a second for anything important,

Ozzieman · August 21, 2016, 11:05 AM

I've used seconds and pulled bullets for plinking 45 ACP, 44, 5.56 and 308.
Never had any problem with them on the guns I use them on but I do throw a few away now and then on the pulled. Never on the seconds.
I know you were asking about seconds but you should also give pulled a look.
I have purchased thousands of 5.56 from RMR and was never sorry. My only complaint is that they very seldom have 44 jacked pulled

http://rmrbullets.com/

http://rmrbullets.com/shop/bullets-f...-tail-new-100/

I purchased 6000 of these several years ago thinking I would never buy another bullet for my AR's, This would be a guess but I throw away maybe one every 250 or so, mostly for being a little deformed around the cannelure.

Clark · August 21, 2016, 01:26 PM

In 2004 I was getting seconds at pennies on the dollar. UPS max was 80 pound boxes and I got a lot of boxes. Some shot better than me, some shot worse than me, and some I have not tried yet.

Over the years, retailers have learned they not need to discount them that much to sell them.

After the prices went up, I did find an error on the Midway site, I think error, the 338 250 gr Nos Partition Gold were 10 cents a shot. Those were retro 2004 type discounts.

Slamfire · August 21, 2016, 03:38 PM

It depends on what you want to do. I purchased thousands of Sierra 308 168 grain Matchkings and decided the best practice was to weigh the cases. I sorted the stuff by weight, generally in half grain spreads. I found lightweight bullets, the cores were not correct. I found heavier bullets. A bud of mine, he weighs factory first quality because he has found lightweight and heavy cores in his 500 bullet boxes of Sierra Match bullets.

Mobuck · August 21, 2016, 07:08 PM

I've been killing deer with bullets from a 500 count box of "BLEMS" since 2008. I've found only a couple of anomalies in performance out of all those fired and neither caused any big problem.

August 20, 2016, 11:34 AM	#1
Tlewis81 Member Join Date: January 3, 2016 Posts: 75	Bullet 2nds Whats ur feeling on seconds??? Little cheaper i see....expierences...tested along side the normal factory 1s?

August 20, 2016, 11:55 AM	#2
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Seconds are just cosmetically unpleasing. Tiny chunks out of the jackets, etc. However, they shoot just fine. The only part of a bullet that matters is the base. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

August 21, 2016, 12:45 AM	#6
WVMountaineer Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2015 Posts: 330	I bought 600 bullets of Nosler Partition 2nds in 180 grain. Of the 75 or so I've shot building a load and hunting, they are dialed into less than 3/4 inch at 100 yards. They have performed flawlessly on game as well. However, I've had 2nd Corelokts that blew up on impact. I have No complaints with the Nosler but, will never buy a Corelokt 2nd for hunting again. God Bless Last edited by WVMountaineer; August 21, 2016 at 12:51 AM.

August 21, 2016, 07:42 AM	#7
Mike / Tx Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2000 Posts: 2,101	I have been using them for years, mostlyfor hunting purposes. There have been some that were missing tips or weren't formed just right but they were probably less than two dozen out of several thousands I have purchased and shot. If they shoot at or under 1.5" at 100-200yds they are good enough for most of my needs. I have heard, not verified, that usually these are the ones they make when setting up the presses or changing out dies for a large run. They might be off just a little here or there, or may or may not have a cannalure. They may also have been slated for factory loaded ammo but for whatever reason didn't get used or were over runs. Either way they are surely usable. __________________ LAter, Mike / TX

August 21, 2016, 08:24 AM	#9
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,586	I now use them, thanks to Taylorce1 turning me on to Pro Shooter Supply. I found that jacket consistancy varies but only minimally, and doesn't effect consistant grouping. I will be using 150 ABLR seconds for deer this season through my .270 win. They're amazingly accurate with the load I came up with, that load also thanks to Taylorce1 for helping me with dynamite powder selection. __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.

August 20, 2016, 12:49 PM	#3
jwrowland77 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2012 Location: Conway, Arkansas Posts: 1,398	I use seconds all the time for hunting applications. I use Partitions. Never any issues. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

August 20, 2016, 05:18 PM	#4
Reloader2 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2013 Posts: 263	I've had seconds that were different specs than the regular run bullets. Measure 2nds to make sure they are what you think they are. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

August 20, 2016, 05:30 PM	#5
reddog81 Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,634	I've always had good luck with seconds but I imagine sometimes there would issues that could cause problems. If you buy from a reputable dealer you should get an accurate description.

August 21, 2016, 08:17 AM	#8
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	At one time, I shot a lot of pistol seconds, I would order a couple of thousand whenever the type I preferred was offered. Over several years, the defects got worse and the discount was less, so I quit.

August 21, 2016, 09:29 AM	#10
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	I've bought plenty of bullets that looked like they should have been declared as seconds. But they always shot good. It all depends on who made them and how off they really are. Like so many things about reloading, it all depends. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

August 21, 2016, 10:55 AM	#11
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I purchased a fartload of nosler 180 .308 many years ago, and still have many of them. What I noticed was that the jackets were crinkled at the tip. This couldn't affect accuracy, couldn't affect terminal performance. its possible that quality checks could reveal problems and the entire run would be dumped as seconds, im not sure that id use a second for anything important, __________________ None.

August 21, 2016, 11:05 AM	#12
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	I've used seconds and pulled bullets for plinking 45 ACP, 44, 5.56 and 308. Never had any problem with them on the guns I use them on but I do throw a few away now and then on the pulled. Never on the seconds. I know you were asking about seconds but you should also give pulled a look. I have purchased thousands of 5.56 from RMR and was never sorry. My only complaint is that they very seldom have 44 jacked pulled http://rmrbullets.com/ http://rmrbullets.com/shop/bullets-f...-tail-new-100/ I purchased 6000 of these several years ago thinking I would never buy another bullet for my AR's, This would be a guess but I throw away maybe one every 250 or so, mostly for being a little deformed around the cannelure. __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe. Last edited by Ozzieman; August 21, 2016 at 11:18 AM.

August 21, 2016, 01:26 PM	#13
Clark Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 1999 Location: WA, the ever blue state Posts: 4,678	In 2004 I was getting seconds at pennies on the dollar. UPS max was 80 pound boxes and I got a lot of boxes. Some shot better than me, some shot worse than me, and some I have not tried yet. Over the years, retailers have learned they not need to discount them that much to sell them. After the prices went up, I did find an error on the Midway site, I think error, the 338 250 gr Nos Partition Gold were 10 cents a shot. Those were retro 2004 type discounts. __________________ The word 'forum" does not mean "not criticizing books." "Ad hominem fallacy" is not the same as point by point criticism of books. If you bought the book, and believe it all, it may FEEL like an ad hominem attack, but you might strive to accept other points of view may exist. Are we a nation of competing ideas, or a nation of forced conformity of thought?

August 21, 2016, 03:38 PM	#14
Slamfire Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2007 Posts: 5,261	It depends on what you want to do. I purchased thousands of Sierra 308 168 grain Matchkings and decided the best practice was to weigh the cases. I sorted the stuff by weight, generally in half grain spreads. I found lightweight bullets, the cores were not correct. I found heavier bullets. A bud of mine, he weighs factory first quality because he has found lightweight and heavy cores in his 500 bullet boxes of Sierra Match bullets. __________________ If I'm not shooting, I'm reloading.

August 21, 2016, 07:08 PM	#15
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	I've been killing deer with bullets from a 500 count box of "BLEMS" since 2008. I've found only a couple of anomalies in performance out of all those fired and neither caused any big problem.