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Time to start writing your Congressman/women Looks like raising cost to all FFL and SOT's as well as striking $200 tax stamps and making them $500 tax stamps, raising taxes on importers and ammunition I'm surprised this hasn't popped up yet SILENCER SATURDAY #11: Do You Want $500 NFA Tax Stamps? - The Firearm Blog
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Clearly trying to set the stage so in the future all AR's and other "Assault Rifles" will be NFA regulated and the $500 tax will be the norm.
I would oppose this vociferously, but if a future Congress controlled by a certain party is bound and determined to ram through gun control, they're going to do it. Guess I should buy a crate of Anderson lowers next time they're on sale for 30 or 40 bucks.
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As for my situation, lets just say if the zeitgeist in government is to make me into a criminal, then they'll get what they want. I'll flip them to people desperate to have an AR... for a hefty sum of course.
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That SUCKS seriously
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NFA enacted in 1934. In today's dollars the original $200 is a couple of grand. I have long been in favor of removing suppressors, possibly SBR and SBS or at least loosening las on them, then raising and re-opening the registry for MGs.
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Considering the price of suppressors and Class3 weapons, I’m likely to buy another suppressor even with a $500 tag.
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No, the NRA simply advised that the DoJ look into whether bump stocks actually count as machine guns under the current language of the NFA. Which is actually a good strategic move for gun rights in my opinion. Here's why: The writing is on the wall for bump stocks. A large majority of the public seems to think they're a huge threat and wants them banned. And at the same time, most gun owners don't have any interest in bump stocks and wouldn't be affected by a ban. So a ban on bump stocks is inevitable. (I want to make it clear I don't -- and won't -- support a ban on bump stocks, I just recognize when we're losing on an issue.) But, as we all know, any legislation that bans bump stocks can easily be too broad. Every proposed ban on bump stocks I've seen could easily be interpreted as banning anything that can increase a semi-auto's fire rate; things like lighter triggers. So if bump stocks are simply banned by being considered machine guns under current law, that means congress is far less likely to pass anti-bump stock legislation that is likely to be overly-broad and could negatively affect all sorts of other things. Here's the problem as I see it: bump stocks simply aren't machine guns under current law, which is why the ATF has ruled that they're legal. An attempt to reclassify them as machine guns under current law will be a sham that probably won't hold up in court. But I think the NRA knows this and is simply using it as a distraction. Which is why I think their call for the DoJ to revisit bump stocks was a good move strategically.
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Theohazard, the idea that we just allow the ATF to reinterpret them, then go to court and demonstrate their faulty logic is great...right up until you get a court that does not want to admit that bump stocks don't meet the NFA definition and sides with the ATF...and then SCOTUS declines the case.
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This would be another instance where it'd be nice, not for the other taxes but for the $500 stamp, if the conservatives pushed deregulating suppressors as part of the tax stamp increase.
What will really happen for now is this bill will fall on it's face, the only thing I'm a little concerned about is Trump has been trying to allocate more $$ to the ATF to process stamps - raising the cost of stamps becomes helpful to that. Of course what would be a lot more logical is stop requiring tax stamps for such a benign item like a suppressor. |
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Apparently, quite a few folks have more money to spend(waste) on illogical "tax stamps". The NFA act was meant to keep automatic weapons away from gangsters but only handicapped legitimate owners with an onerous fee and absolutely intolerable "waiting period".
Has there EVER been a crime committed with a legally owned suppressor or a crime solved by using the records generated by the "stamping process"? The tax stamp fee process is a crock of crap in modern USA. |
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The full name for the bill is the Gun Violence Prevention and Safe Communities Act of 2018. Yikes. Who'd oppose something with a name like that?
It's sponsored by a nobody and cosponsored by twelve nobodies. I doubt it's going anywhere, but if you want to contact your congresscritter about it, PopVox is an easy way to do so.
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I have wanted a silencer for some time. Its not the cost of the silencer that prevents me from owning one or even the cost of the tax stamp. The procedure to get one is a pain (or appears to be when I look at the forms) and is enough to prevent me from going forward in acquiring one.
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1 Go to SilencerShop.com create an account. SS will process all the paperwork and make your transaction almost effortless. 2 Choose the silencer you want. (pricing varies by dealer), if you want to use a trust...throw a Single Shot Trust in the cart for $25 and the $200 tax stamp. 3 Choose the dealer you want to receive the silencer. Those with the "thumbprint" have a fingerprint kiosk. 4 Scan your prints at the dealers kiosk. 5 Upload a "selfie" via the Silencer Shop photo app with your cellphone. 6. Wait 6-8months for ATF to approve, 7. Fill out a Form 4473 at your dealer and go home that day with your toy. Anyone who says its a pain did it wrong.
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I absolutely agree with the post above. The hardest part of the whole process is the waiting.
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Wasn't there a form I had to drag up to the county sheriff or such as well? Or do they handle that via mail?
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Not anymore. After 41f took effect, all you need to do is send a COPY to the local LEO as a notification. They no longer need to “sign off” on the application.
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I drop mine off in person. I live in a small city. (Metro area of roughly 65k people, in 45 x 15 miles; with a county population of just 82k.) The often irritable and unhappy clerks at the counter always perk up when they're handed a Form 1 or Form 4, and give me a good smile. (Again... small city, and in a gun-loving part of the country. ) Even if you don't use Silencer Shop or a similar service, the rest of it is cake: Get fingerprinted. Get some photos. Stop by your local toy store. Nearly every dealer does the paperwork for you. Even if they don't, they have to fill out more than you anyway. (There's not much to it.) Mail the application with prints, photos, and check. Drop off (or mail) the CLEO notification. Wait.... And wait a lot more.... The wait sucks. But the process is pretty simple. Getting the windshield in my truck replaced is more of an inconvenience than filing a Form 1 or Form 4.
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