For the sake of argument, - Page 2

globemaster3 · May 15, 2013, 08:56 AM

You might want to check out Jäger Pro's website for good trapping info. They are a bunch of retired, former Army AMU hub as who really have perfected their trapping techniques.

Hope your medical condition clears soon so you can rejoin the ranks of the armed. As mentioned, nothing beats a gun in a matchup against a hog, but if you can't do that, spear, knife, whatever beats nothing.

2damnold4this · May 15, 2013, 09:51 AM

You aren't physically able, due to medical reasons, to shoot a gun but you are able to carry around ladders and engage hogs in close combat with a knife? That doesn't make sense.

If a doctor has told you to lay off shooting for a while, carry the gun and only shoot if absolutely needed to keep you safe. I imagine that will be less physically taxing than climbing a tree or wrestling a pig while trying to stab it.

grubbylabs · May 15, 2013, 09:51 AM

If yo you can, go on down to a local shelter and adopt a rather large dog or three, just make sure they have the temperament to do the job

L_Killkenny · May 15, 2013, 10:04 AM

Lot of things that don't make sense here but for the sake of argument hog vs. man with knife is gonna be like man w/ knife vs. man w/knife. You're both gonna get hurt just depends on who bleeds out or gives up first. Tomahawk or machete will be more effective and the pepper spray makes better sense.

justplainpossum · May 15, 2013, 11:04 AM

Well, it would all make sense if you understood my medical situation, but since that's nobody's business you'll just have to trust me that I'm doing the best I can. I am definitely going to go buy some bear or pepper spray (great suggestion) as a backup. I'm not hunting hogs out here, guys; I'm trying to go for hikes around my ranch with my dogs while I'm recovering, and three years ago we didn't have any pigs (well, not many). Now they are friggin' everywhere. I'm not going to let them take over my ranch or keep me from hiking around. We did a huge controlled burn to take out a large stand that they were living in, but even that hasn't slowed them down. Hopefully these traps will make a difference, but I've had so many close encounters in the last few months that I'm trying to come up with the best ideas for my safety. And as a woman, I think the boar spear is probably out of the question for me; I have a feeling I'd probably just bonk the pig on the head with it.

I come here for some great advice, which I often get. Please don't think I'm trying to start an argument, because I'm not; I do appreciate what I've learned here and continue to learn here.

I just realized that I had titled this "for the sake of argument"! lol oops! oh, well

AC 45-70 · May 15, 2013, 03:34 PM

In an attack a knife would no nothing to kill a hog. Everywhere that would make a quick kill is armored heart, head, lungs. If you can manage to kick the head hard enough they will run away though.

BuckRub · May 15, 2013, 03:45 PM

When I have a certain medical condition trying to get the healing my body needs I wouldn't be hauling ladders around, chasing hogs or wrestling them with a knife or even walking on my ranch alone unarmed if I had hogs. Maybe go to a park or frinds place or someone else to walk in peace if you need to walk. Chill out, rest for now and let your body heal and maybe wrestle them after you get better.

Even when 100% and I'm a man, I ain't gonna wrestle a hog. But that's me.

Geezerbiker · May 15, 2013, 09:52 PM

Have you considered hiking with an armed friend? Back when i could, I always found hiking with friends more enjoyable...

Tony

justplainpossum · May 16, 2013, 01:55 AM

That's a good idea, Tony, though I really like to go out on my own or with my dogs. One thing I am definitely going to do from now on is keep my cell phone with me. Boy, I'm glad I finally learned how to text! If there's a bugger beneath me I've been ordered to send out a message, and my neighbors will be over with a rifle lickity split. (I can just see it now: "Howard, I'm in the second pecan tree from the tank, right above the 200 pound sow in a really, really bad mood...")

Husqvarna · May 16, 2013, 03:34 PM

I've been run over two times, one time with knife in hand and it still didn't matter, my dog was on it and I didn't dare just stab wildly. funny thing muscle memory, I performed what I was taught in martial arts and it worked

but I am a big dude

speak softly and carry a big stick?

Geezerbiker · May 17, 2013, 04:37 AM

Can you shoot a something like a 10/.22? If you're up a tree, it might take 30 or 40 head shots but the repeated pounding would eventually kill a pig.

Tony

Evan Thomas · May 17, 2013, 12:28 PM

Justplainpossum has said repeatedly that she is unable to shoot any gun for at least six months, for reasons that are no one's business but hers. Can everyone please have the courtesy to take her word for this?

grubbylabs · May 17, 2013, 06:33 PM

I think the bear spray will go along way's for you. I think that so far it is by far the best suggestion. It arms you with something that you can use, and has a high likely hood of working.

But I would also be cautious about your hikes alone. I understand your need to roam free and by your self, especially on your land. However, you have to ask, is it really worth your life? How would your loved ones and neighbors feel about loosing you to something so gruesome, let alone actually finding you after it happens. I would not want to put any one in my family through that.

publius · May 18, 2013, 12:44 PM

I would vote bear spray. A knife will kill a hog. Some friends hunt them with dogs and kill them with knives after the dogs catch them. We're talking big knives held by big guys and even they don't want to get into open 1 on 1 combat with a pig.

justplainpossum · May 18, 2013, 02:51 PM

Good news! Nine pigs were trapped and removed last night. That's a relief. Now only 91 to go... lol

Evan Thomas · May 18, 2013, 04:06 PM

Congratulations. But they're probably back up to at least 96 by now....

justplainpossum · May 18, 2013, 06:37 PM

Vanya. lol you're probably so right!

justplainpossum · May 20, 2013, 01:18 AM

Vanya, a new sounder showed up tonite -- about 4 or 5 sows and a dozen babies. How did you know!!

Good golly, we're going backwards!

Evan Thomas · May 20, 2013, 05:15 PM

I have secret powers?

Nah... just the not-so-secret powers of the pigs, I'm afraid.

kilimanjaro · May 20, 2013, 11:08 PM

Presuming there are trees around, stab the knife into a tree at waist height, then climb the tree using the knife as a step up. Don't come down until the large angry animal is gone.

justplainpossum · May 21, 2013, 01:25 PM

You must have me confused with one of those guys in gym class who were able to climb that rope thing up to the ceiling.

alex0535 · May 21, 2013, 02:28 PM

Bear spray would probably discourage one.

Maybe consider getting a large dog breed that will be protective of you while walking around. There are plenty that will defend you with every last ounce of life they have. The Dogo Argentino will chase and catch hogs, and will defend you to the death. Trained from a young age to protect instead of hunt it might make a great dog to walk around with if your worried about being attacked by a hog.

Grant D · May 21, 2013, 03:03 PM

Get a Rhodesian Ridgeback to walk with you,and you wont need a gun! lol

captainrock39 · May 21, 2013, 09:12 PM

Hows your throwing motion every few minutes toss a fairly good size fire cracker out it goes boom and scares everything away from you. Your safe and critters go the other way lol.

justplainpossum · May 22, 2013, 02:50 AM

lol! sort of like that scene from Jaws, where the "fishermen" are driving around in their boats, throwing tnt into the water to kill the shark?

I actually do have a large, mixed breed dog who hikes with me and is very loyal and protective. Maybe I can teach him to shoot until I can go heeled again; he's already figured out how to dial Pizza Hut... (geez, how many all-meat pizzas can a dog eat, anyway?)

May 15, 2013, 08:56 AM	#26
globemaster3 Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2006 Posts: 1,482	You might want to check out Jäger Pro's website for good trapping info. They are a bunch of retired, former Army AMU hub as who really have perfected their trapping techniques. Hope your medical condition clears soon so you can rejoin the ranks of the armed. As mentioned, nothing beats a gun in a matchup against a hog, but if you can't do that, spear, knife, whatever beats nothing. __________________ NRA Life Member "We have enough gun control. What we need is idiot control."

May 15, 2013, 09:51 AM	#28
grubbylabs Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2009 Location: Hansen Idaho Posts: 1,465	If yo you can, go on down to a local shelter and adopt a rather large dog or three, just make sure they have the temperament to do the job __________________ * (Swinging club) Whack! whack! whack! * Nope, the old nag's still dead . (Capt Charlie)

May 15, 2013, 11:04 AM	#30
justplainpossum Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2013 Location: duh, Texas! : ) Posts: 222	Well, it would all make sense if you understood my medical situation, but since that's nobody's business you'll just have to trust me that I'm doing the best I can. I am definitely going to go buy some bear or pepper spray (great suggestion) as a backup. I'm not hunting hogs out here, guys; I'm trying to go for hikes around my ranch with my dogs while I'm recovering, and three years ago we didn't have any pigs (well, not many). Now they are friggin' everywhere. I'm not going to let them take over my ranch or keep me from hiking around. We did a huge controlled burn to take out a large stand that they were living in, but even that hasn't slowed them down. Hopefully these traps will make a difference, but I've had so many close encounters in the last few months that I'm trying to come up with the best ideas for my safety. And as a woman, I think the boar spear is probably out of the question for me; I have a feeling I'd probably just bonk the pig on the head with it. I come here for some great advice, which I often get. Please don't think I'm trying to start an argument, because I'm not; I do appreciate what I've learned here and continue to learn here. I just realized that I had titled this "for the sake of argument"! lol oops! oh, well Last edited by justplainpossum; May 15, 2013 at 11:39 AM.

May 17, 2013, 12:28 PM	#37
Evan Thomas Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 5,631	Justplainpossum has said repeatedly that she is unable to shoot any gun for at least six months, for reasons that are no one's business but hers. Can everyone please have the courtesy to take her word for this? __________________ Never let anything mechanical know you're in a hurry.

May 17, 2013, 06:33 PM	#38
grubbylabs Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2009 Location: Hansen Idaho Posts: 1,465	I think the bear spray will go along way's for you. I think that so far it is by far the best suggestion. It arms you with something that you can use, and has a high likely hood of working. But I would also be cautious about your hikes alone. I understand your need to roam free and by your self, especially on your land. However, you have to ask, is it really worth your life? How would your loved ones and neighbors feel about loosing you to something so gruesome, let alone actually finding you after it happens. I would not want to put any one in my family through that. __________________ * (Swinging club) Whack! whack! whack! * Nope, the old nag's still dead . (Capt Charlie)

May 15, 2013, 09:51 AM	#27
2damnold4this Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2009 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 2,526	You aren't physically able, due to medical reasons, to shoot a gun but you are able to carry around ladders and engage hogs in close combat with a knife? That doesn't make sense. If a doctor has told you to lay off shooting for a while, carry the gun and only shoot if absolutely needed to keep you safe. I imagine that will be less physically taxing than climbing a tree or wrestling a pig while trying to stab it.

May 15, 2013, 10:04 AM	#29
L_Killkenny Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,676	Lot of things that don't make sense here but for the sake of argument hog vs. man with knife is gonna be like man w/ knife vs. man w/knife. You're both gonna get hurt just depends on who bleeds out or gives up first. Tomahawk or machete will be more effective and the pepper spray makes better sense.

May 15, 2013, 03:34 PM	#31
AC 45-70 Member Join Date: July 18, 2012 Posts: 29	In an attack a knife would no nothing to kill a hog. Everywhere that would make a quick kill is armored heart, head, lungs. If you can manage to kick the head hard enough they will run away though.

May 15, 2013, 03:45 PM	#32
BuckRub Junior member Join Date: October 3, 2012 Location: Central Texas Posts: 1,046	When I have a certain medical condition trying to get the healing my body needs I wouldn't be hauling ladders around, chasing hogs or wrestling them with a knife or even walking on my ranch alone unarmed if I had hogs. Maybe go to a park or frinds place or someone else to walk in peace if you need to walk. Chill out, rest for now and let your body heal and maybe wrestle them after you get better. Even when 100% and I'm a man, I ain't gonna wrestle a hog. But that's me.

May 15, 2013, 09:52 PM	#33
Geezerbiker Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Location: Willamina, OR Posts: 1,908	Have you considered hiking with an armed friend? Back when i could, I always found hiking with friends more enjoyable... Tony

May 16, 2013, 01:55 AM	#34
justplainpossum Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2013 Location: duh, Texas! : ) Posts: 222	That's a good idea, Tony, though I really like to go out on my own or with my dogs. One thing I am definitely going to do from now on is keep my cell phone with me. Boy, I'm glad I finally learned how to text! If there's a bugger beneath me I've been ordered to send out a message, and my neighbors will be over with a rifle lickity split. (I can just see it now: "Howard, I'm in the second pecan tree from the tank, right above the 200 pound sow in a really, really bad mood...")

May 16, 2013, 03:34 PM	#35
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	I've been run over two times, one time with knife in hand and it still didn't matter, my dog was on it and I didn't dare just stab wildly. funny thing muscle memory, I performed what I was taught in martial arts and it worked but I am a big dude speak softly and carry a big stick?

May 17, 2013, 04:37 AM	#36
Geezerbiker Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Location: Willamina, OR Posts: 1,908	Can you shoot a something like a 10/.22? If you're up a tree, it might take 30 or 40 head shots but the repeated pounding would eventually kill a pig. Tony

May 18, 2013, 12:44 PM	#39
publius Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Mississippi/Texas Posts: 2,505	I would vote bear spray. A knife will kill a hog. Some friends hunt them with dogs and kill them with knives after the dogs catch them. We're talking big knives held by big guys and even they don't want to get into open 1 on 1 combat with a pig. __________________ "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself." Mark Twain

May 18, 2013, 02:51 PM	#40
justplainpossum Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2013 Location: duh, Texas! : ) Posts: 222	Good news! Nine pigs were trapped and removed last night. That's a relief. Now only 91 to go... lol

May 18, 2013, 04:06 PM	#41
Evan Thomas Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 5,631	Congratulations. But they're probably back up to at least 96 by now.... __________________ Never let anything mechanical know you're in a hurry.

May 18, 2013, 06:37 PM	#42
justplainpossum Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2013 Location: duh, Texas! : ) Posts: 222	Vanya. lol you're probably so right!

May 20, 2013, 01:18 AM	#43
justplainpossum Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2013 Location: duh, Texas! : ) Posts: 222	Vanya, a new sounder showed up tonite -- about 4 or 5 sows and a dozen babies. How did you know!! Good golly, we're going backwards!

May 20, 2013, 05:15 PM	#44
Evan Thomas Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 5,631	I have secret powers? Nah... just the not-so-secret powers of the pigs, I'm afraid. __________________ Never let anything mechanical know you're in a hurry.

May 20, 2013, 11:08 PM	#45
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	Presuming there are trees around, stab the knife into a tree at waist height, then climb the tree using the knife as a step up. Don't come down until the large angry animal is gone.

May 21, 2013, 01:25 PM	#46
justplainpossum Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2013 Location: duh, Texas! : ) Posts: 222	You must have me confused with one of those guys in gym class who were able to climb that rope thing up to the ceiling.

May 21, 2013, 02:28 PM	#47
alex0535 Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2012 Location: Georgia Posts: 908	Bear spray would probably discourage one. Maybe consider getting a large dog breed that will be protective of you while walking around. There are plenty that will defend you with every last ounce of life they have. The Dogo Argentino will chase and catch hogs, and will defend you to the death. Trained from a young age to protect instead of hunt it might make a great dog to walk around with if your worried about being attacked by a hog. Last edited by alex0535; May 21, 2013 at 02:39 PM.

May 21, 2013, 03:03 PM	#48
Grant D Senior Member Join Date: August 14, 2011 Location: Brazos County, Texas Posts: 1,038	Get a Rhodesian Ridgeback to walk with you,and you wont need a gun! lol

May 21, 2013, 09:12 PM	#49
captainrock39 Member Join Date: January 21, 2013 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 51	Hows your throwing motion every few minutes toss a fairly good size fire cracker out it goes boom and scares everything away from you. Your safe and critters go the other way lol.

May 22, 2013, 02:50 AM	#50
justplainpossum Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2013 Location: duh, Texas! : ) Posts: 222	lol! sort of like that scene from Jaws, where the "fishermen" are driving around in their boats, throwing tnt into the water to kill the shark? I actually do have a large, mixed breed dog who hikes with me and is very loyal and protective. Maybe I can teach him to shoot until I can go heeled again; he's already figured out how to dial Pizza Hut... (geez, how many all-meat pizzas can a dog eat, anyway?)