Trouble on the Right Trap - Page 2

TheKlawMan · February 24, 2012, 08:10 PM

I just got back from Prado. I went there in the heat of the afternoon so I could have a field all to myself. I concenterqted on two things; foot position and keeping the gun moving. This time I put even more tape across my left lens.

First I shot up a box on 4 & 5, but taking a few shots on one.

A veteran shooter was leaving and I asked him a quesion about follow through on straight aways, so he came over to see what I was doing. I also let him play with my gun and we agreed it shoots nice and straight and that it hit about as high as I thought. It shoots pretty flat. He had me take all the scotch tape off of my left lens and try shooting. I did that but squinted with my left eye. It looked like I was getting better at follow through and I seem to keep my head on the stock

After he left I shot a full round at the 16 yard line by myself. This was in very gusty wind. Two things; I shot as well on the right as I did down the line and my score jumped 3 hits above my average and this was a 3 in the afternoon on a hot and windy day when I was tiring and normally shoot worse. Half of my lost bords were due to the wind playing havoc. I also found that the slower I swung into the bird I got it closer in. With all this my kills were quality hits, by which I mean they were fairly sqarely struck and not just by a single golden BB.

Thanks for the tips.

Boncrayon · February 25, 2012, 10:16 PM

Make sure you have determined your "dominant" eye. If you have a diagnosed astigmatism in your two-eye line of sight, close the non-dominant eye. It was my problem because I was trying to compensate with a slightly doubled target!

TheKlawMan · February 26, 2012, 06:01 PM

All I know is that last August the optometrist said that my eyes hadn't changed much except that an astigmatism was sligthly worse. I always thought that I had a right dominant eye and didn't notice a problem shooting a single barrel 870. When I got the over/under, soon after pointing I would go from seeing the top of the over barrel to seeing it and the left side of both and they point left of target. The last time out, I stopped taping the the left lense and squinted with the left eye. It is driving me crazy(ier). what may be making things even worse are these varifocal lenses. I wonder if getting some shooting glasses with for distance only will help.

Dave McC · February 27, 2012, 02:14 PM

Yes, they will help.

I have bifocals for close work. My script is for astigmatism only, surgery corrected me to 20/20 a few years back.

My shooting glasses are the astigmatic script only. My Opthamolagist shoots a little and recommends no bifocal or varifocal grind on shooting glasses.

TheKlawMan · February 27, 2012, 08:42 PM

Thanks Dave. I guess its time to break down and get some dedicated shooting glasses. I have been e-mailing a trap shooter/optometrist who makes them and he never even suggested that I get his glasses. He did suggest that I get back to fundamentals such as focusing hard on the bird and all but ignoring the bead. Forget about tape and gadgets. I like fundamentals and found that paying attention to them in my work was always a good move, so that is what I will try. And I am placing an order for some glasses.

Dave McC · February 27, 2012, 08:57 PM

Great! Now go shoot some more....

TheKlawMan · February 28, 2012, 03:35 AM

I am. Tomorrow, I mean today, I have to give .300 Weatherby a lesson on the Skeet field. If I can only remember to release my Citori's trigger after shooting the first of the doubles.

Dave McC · February 28, 2012, 03:02 PM

Who's giving who a lesson?

Trapping the trigger is common. Fixing same is not that hard. Just practice....

Strafer Gott · February 28, 2012, 03:28 PM

Eyeglasses are expensive, and if you require bifocals, even more so.
What helped me was when I got a new prescription, I had them lower the bifocal element a millimeter when they cut them out. This makes the bifocal
easier to look over when shooting, so it doesn't mess with sighting so much. My dispenser was happy to do it for me. Just ask.

TheKlawMan · February 28, 2012, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Who's giving who a lesson?

I am the master instructor of how to do everything wrong. So Weatherby doesn't miss much, even on the trap field. Anyhow it was fun, if not humilating.

.300 Weatherby Mag · February 28, 2012, 11:48 PM

I have trouble on the trap field in general.....

Dave McC · February 29, 2012, 02:20 PM

One reason I'm an effective instructor is I've done everything wrong at least once.

And some things many, many times.

So, I can relate.....

oneounceload · February 29, 2012, 02:26 PM

Quote:

I guess its time to break down and get some dedicated shooting glasses.

If you look at something like the Randolph Ranger XLW, you can get your prescription as an insert, allowing you to get whatever different colors work best for your area without all of them needing to be a prescription. And if your scrip changes in a year or so, you only need to get a new insert made and not new lenses

zippy13 · February 29, 2012, 02:48 PM

My friend, Randolph Ranger XLWs are Decot Hy-Wyd wannabes, and they come from Massachusetts. Decot is in Arizona. Who has more experience in shooting in TheKlawMan's bright SoCal sun: someone in neighboring AZ, or guys in far away MA?

oneounceload · February 29, 2012, 05:46 PM

Mine came from TX Shooter's Optical, Skippy. Tom is knowledgeable about all shooting conditions and made some recommendations that changed my mind for what I was originally wanting and thinking about.........

TheKlawMan · February 29, 2012, 05:57 PM

Actually, the brand I am looking at getting is Post4. The reason is wanting to buy from a guy, who I believe has been very generous with his help on general Trap issues over on SGW and who has been selling Barry Allen. When I contacted him, however, he is now handling Post4. Whatcha think about Post4? Unlike Randolph Ranger, which I once thought was the hot ticket back when I was going to try to use them for street glasses and, with different lenses, for shooting. Then, I decided to get street glasses.

zippy13 · February 29, 2012, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Mine came from TX Shooter's Optical

Mine came from a Decot rep who was a member of my gun club. A little more convenient than TX.

oneounceload · February 29, 2012, 08:19 PM

Klawman, there are several great companies out there, whether it is Decot, Post4, Randolph, Pilla or similar, my advice is to get glasses that allow you to update a scrip insert so you do not have to buy multiple colored lenses every year when your scrip changes

Jim Watson · February 29, 2012, 10:48 PM

When I was having trouble with hard rights from 4 and 5, a good Lady shooter recommended I raise my right elbow to keep me from swinging the gun away from my face. It worked.

TheKlawMan · March 1, 2012, 02:07 AM

Bill Skiff said, and it went completley over my head when I saw it originally:

Quote:

Your lead should be to the right, about a barrel width visually, for the quartering shots, and about 2-3 barrel widths for the hard right shots.

Doh! I am doing good if I give a barrel width lead on the hard rights; much less on the quartering shots. I am shooting again tomorrow and will make a point of substatialy increasing my leads while keeping the gun moving.

.300 Weatherby Mag · March 1, 2012, 02:16 AM

Klawman,

When you figure out how to hit the clays taking a hard right... Please let me know... I'd like to hit them too...

February 25, 2012, 10:16 PM	#27
Boncrayon Senior Member Join Date: March 24, 2008 Posts: 920	Trouble on the Right Trap Make sure you have determined your "dominant" eye. If you have a diagnosed astigmatism in your two-eye line of sight, close the non-dominant eye. It was my problem because I was trying to compensate with a slightly doubled target!

February 26, 2012, 06:01 PM	#28
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,149	All I know is that last August the optometrist said that my eyes hadn't changed much except that an astigmatism was sligthly worse. I always thought that I had a right dominant eye and didn't notice a problem shooting a single barrel 870. When I got the over/under, soon after pointing I would go from seeing the top of the over barrel to seeing it and the left side of both and they point left of target. The last time out, I stopped taping the the left lense and squinted with the left eye. It is driving me crazy(ier). what may be making things even worse are these varifocal lenses. I wonder if getting some shooting glasses with for distance only will help. Last edited by TheKlawMan; February 26, 2012 at 11:12 PM.

February 28, 2012, 03:28 PM	#34
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,315	Bifocal eyeglasses Eyeglasses are expensive, and if you require bifocals, even more so. What helped me was when I got a new prescription, I had them lower the bifocal element a millimeter when they cut them out. This makes the bifocal easier to look over when shooting, so it doesn't mess with sighting so much. My dispenser was happy to do it for me. Just ask.

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February 24, 2012, 08:10 PM	#26
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,149	I just got back from Prado. I went there in the heat of the afternoon so I could have a field all to myself. I concenterqted on two things; foot position and keeping the gun moving. This time I put even more tape across my left lens. First I shot up a box on 4 & 5, but taking a few shots on one. A veteran shooter was leaving and I asked him a quesion about follow through on straight aways, so he came over to see what I was doing. I also let him play with my gun and we agreed it shoots nice and straight and that it hit about as high as I thought. It shoots pretty flat. He had me take all the scotch tape off of my left lens and try shooting. I did that but squinted with my left eye. It looked like I was getting better at follow through and I seem to keep my head on the stock After he left I shot a full round at the 16 yard line by myself. This was in very gusty wind. Two things; I shot as well on the right as I did down the line and my score jumped 3 hits above my average and this was a 3 in the afternoon on a hot and windy day when I was tiring and normally shoot worse. Half of my lost bords were due to the wind playing havoc. I also found that the slower I swung into the bird I got it closer in. With all this my kills were quality hits, by which I mean they were fairly sqarely struck and not just by a single golden BB. Thanks for the tips.

February 27, 2012, 02:14 PM	#29
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Yes, they will help. I have bifocals for close work. My script is for astigmatism only, surgery corrected me to 20/20 a few years back. My shooting glasses are the astigmatic script only. My Opthamolagist shoots a little and recommends no bifocal or varifocal grind on shooting glasses.

February 27, 2012, 08:42 PM	#30
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,149	Thanks Dave. I guess its time to break down and get some dedicated shooting glasses. I have been e-mailing a trap shooter/optometrist who makes them and he never even suggested that I get his glasses. He did suggest that I get back to fundamentals such as focusing hard on the bird and all but ignoring the bead. Forget about tape and gadgets. I like fundamentals and found that paying attention to them in my work was always a good move, so that is what I will try. And I am placing an order for some glasses.

February 27, 2012, 08:57 PM	#31
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Great! Now go shoot some more....

February 28, 2012, 03:35 AM	#32
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,149	I am. Tomorrow, I mean today, I have to give .300 Weatherby a lesson on the Skeet field. If I can only remember to release my Citori's trigger after shooting the first of the doubles.

February 28, 2012, 03:02 PM	#33
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Who's giving who a lesson? Trapping the trigger is common. Fixing same is not that hard. Just practice....

February 28, 2012, 11:48 PM	#36
.300 Weatherby Mag Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2008 Posts: 1,777	I have trouble on the trap field in general.....

February 29, 2012, 02:20 PM	#37
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	One reason I'm an effective instructor is I've done everything wrong at least once. And some things many, many times. So, I can relate.....

February 29, 2012, 02:48 PM	#39
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	My friend, Randolph Ranger XLWs are Decot Hy-Wyd wannabes, and they come from Massachusetts. Decot is in Arizona. Who has more experience in shooting in TheKlawMan's bright SoCal sun: someone in neighboring AZ, or guys in far away MA?

February 29, 2012, 05:46 PM	#40
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Mine came from TX Shooter's Optical, Skippy. Tom is knowledgeable about all shooting conditions and made some recommendations that changed my mind for what I was originally wanting and thinking about.........

February 29, 2012, 05:57 PM	#41
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,149	Actually, the brand I am looking at getting is Post4. The reason is wanting to buy from a guy, who I believe has been very generous with his help on general Trap issues over on SGW and who has been selling Barry Allen. When I contacted him, however, he is now handling Post4. Whatcha think about Post4? Unlike Randolph Ranger, which I once thought was the hot ticket back when I was going to try to use them for street glasses and, with different lenses, for shooting. Then, I decided to get street glasses.

February 29, 2012, 08:19 PM	#43
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Klawman, there are several great companies out there, whether it is Decot, Post4, Randolph, Pilla or similar, my advice is to get glasses that allow you to update a scrip insert so you do not have to buy multiple colored lenses every year when your scrip changes

February 29, 2012, 10:48 PM	#44
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	When I was having trouble with hard rights from 4 and 5, a good Lady shooter recommended I raise my right elbow to keep me from swinging the gun away from my face. It worked.

March 1, 2012, 02:16 AM	#46
.300 Weatherby Mag Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2008 Posts: 1,777	Klawman, When you figure out how to hit the clays taking a hard right... Please let me know... I'd like to hit them too...