norinco shotguns

terry j · November 29, 2001, 01:30 AM

sorry if this has been asked before, but I'm new, so bear with me.
I saw a Norinco shotgun at a local dealer. It was a 12 ga pump, with the hammer on the back. The dealer said it was a copy of the old Winchester shotgun. His price, new, was $179 (I think)
Is this a good shotgun? Are the other copys better?
Thanks for any help
Terry

Dave McC · November 29, 2001, 06:38 AM

Politics aside, it's a cheap copy of an excellent design.The metal quality is questionable, warranty work in the shifting seas of international trade may be impossible.

Before CAS, there were lots of beater 97s around.
A few may still be out there, or you can pick up a police turnin 870 that will last longer than a mortgage on Disneyland, even with heavy use. Buy US stuff when possible...

Coronach · November 29, 2001, 10:10 AM

Dave, you're letting me down.

Mike

C.R.Sam · November 29, 2001, 11:30 AM

What Dave said....plus.

Not shotgun but Norinco rifle, extractor broke. Norinco response to query was that they didn't do that model anymore and couldn't help. Owner had one made and got rid of it.

I am underwhelmed by the idea of buying a gun from the communist China military. Just doesn't seem right to pay em.

Sam

Will Beararms · December 2, 2001, 10:29 PM

Why do we import weapons from those sapsuckers anyway? It's not like we don't get enought from China as it is. Get a Winchester 1300 for an extra $30.00 or so and be done with it.

cuerno de chivo · December 3, 2001, 01:01 AM

So are you advocating more bans on foreign imports of weapons? Or on just countries that you don't like?

Will Beararms · December 3, 2001, 08:53 AM

I could get by on American only-------------no problem but to put China in a class with the rest of the world and act like they are just a normal everyday trading partner is ludicrious.

The only reason they continue to get most favored status is due to the politicians. Put everything out in front of an ordinary American and I guarantee you that would change. No one of any character at all would even think about giving this Godless, murderous nation who shot down our plane and then tried to sell it back to us while contintuing to covet our trade dollars any special treatment.

Leave to our selfserving on the take politicians for that.

I get it China is no different from Italy or Germany.

Coronach · December 3, 2001, 09:35 AM

And besides, there is a difference between banning something and chosing not to buy it.

Mike

cuerno de chivo · December 3, 2001, 01:38 PM

I would bet that we get more goods from China than either Italy or Germany. I would even bet that every TFL member has bought more products from China than from Italy or Germany.

BTW IIRC the SPY plane was not shot. If a Chinese SPY plane was forced down in the US, then would we just give it back to the Chinese??

hksigwalther · December 3, 2001, 07:17 PM

Welcome to TFL terry.

As you can see, opinions are diverse on almost everything in this forum (which is a good thing, IMO, as you get the story from both sides).

November 29, 2001, 01:30 AM	#1
terry j Junior Member Join Date: November 29, 2001 Posts: 3	norinco shotguns sorry if this has been asked before, but I'm new, so bear with me. I saw a Norinco shotgun at a local dealer. It was a 12 ga pump, with the hammer on the back. The dealer said it was a copy of the old Winchester shotgun. His price, new, was $179 (I think) Is this a good shotgun? Are the other copys better? Thanks for any help Terry

November 29, 2001, 10:10 AM	#3
Coronach Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Posts: 3,147	Dave, you're letting me down. Mike __________________ The axe bites into the door, ripping a hole in one panel. The maniac puts his face into the hole, cackling gleefully, "Here's Johnny...erk." "And here's Smith and Wesson," murmurs Coronach, Mozambiquing six rounds of .357 into the critter at a range of three feet. -Lawdog "True pacifism is the finest form of manliness. But if a man comes up to you and cuts your hand off, you don't just offer him the other one. Not if you want to go on playing the piano, you don't." -Sam Peckinpah "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein

December 2, 2001, 10:29 PM	#5
Will Beararms Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 2,834	Why do we import weapons from those sapsuckers anyway? It's not like we don't get enought from China as it is. Get a Winchester 1300 for an extra $30.00 or so and be done with it. __________________ "Without a rifle you are nothing, worthless, you are waiting for death, any minute, any second." -- Aron Bielski

December 3, 2001, 08:53 AM	#7
Will Beararms Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 2,834	I could get by on American only-------------no problem but to put China in a class with the rest of the world and act like they are just a normal everyday trading partner is ludicrious. The only reason they continue to get most favored status is due to the politicians. Put everything out in front of an ordinary American and I guarantee you that would change. No one of any character at all would even think about giving this Godless, murderous nation who shot down our plane and then tried to sell it back to us while contintuing to covet our trade dollars any special treatment. Leave to our selfserving on the take politicians for that. I get it China is no different from Italy or Germany. __________________ "Without a rifle you are nothing, worthless, you are waiting for death, any minute, any second." -- Aron Bielski

December 3, 2001, 09:35 AM	#8
Coronach Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Posts: 3,147	And besides, there is a difference between banning something and chosing not to buy it. Mike __________________ The axe bites into the door, ripping a hole in one panel. The maniac puts his face into the hole, cackling gleefully, "Here's Johnny...erk." "And here's Smith and Wesson," murmurs Coronach, Mozambiquing six rounds of .357 into the critter at a range of three feet. -Lawdog "True pacifism is the finest form of manliness. But if a man comes up to you and cuts your hand off, you don't just offer him the other one. Not if you want to go on playing the piano, you don't." -Sam Peckinpah "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein

November 29, 2001, 06:38 AM	#2
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Politics aside, it's a cheap copy of an excellent design.The metal quality is questionable, warranty work in the shifting seas of international trade may be impossible. Before CAS, there were lots of beater 97s around. A few may still be out there, or you can pick up a police turnin 870 that will last longer than a mortgage on Disneyland, even with heavy use. Buy US stuff when possible...

November 29, 2001, 11:30 AM	#4
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	What Dave said....plus. Not shotgun but Norinco rifle, extractor broke. Norinco response to query was that they didn't do that model anymore and couldn't help. Owner had one made and got rid of it. I am underwhelmed by the idea of buying a gun from the communist China military. Just doesn't seem right to pay em. Sam

December 3, 2001, 01:01 AM	#6
cuerno de chivo Junior member Join Date: July 6, 2000 Posts: 919	So are you advocating more bans on foreign imports of weapons? Or on just countries that you don't like?

December 3, 2001, 01:38 PM	#9
cuerno de chivo Junior member Join Date: July 6, 2000 Posts: 919	I would bet that we get more goods from China than either Italy or Germany. I would even bet that every TFL member has bought more products from China than from Italy or Germany. BTW IIRC the SPY plane was not shot. If a Chinese SPY plane was forced down in the US, then would we just give it back to the Chinese??

December 3, 2001, 07:17 PM	#10
hksigwalther Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 1998 Location: NE OH, USA Posts: 3,198	Welcome to TFL terry. As you can see, opinions are diverse on almost everything in this forum (which is a good thing, IMO, as you get the story from both sides). __________________ - Ron V.