What makes Sig so great?

[SteveG]

They are good guns , but over priced.

[AK103K]

I have 15 of them now, working on #16. Never an issue with any of them, including an early Mosquito, which is the devil incarnate, if you listen to people on the gun forums, and also an early P220 Carry, which it, along with the newer style P220's, are supposed to have problems with their extractors, which I never have.

I've never understood some of the comments on size and bore axis. The P220/P226 are Colt Commander sized pistols. They are not big guns. I have to assume that those who make comments about them being difficult to carry and conceal, have never tried. If you can carry a full size 1911, you can easily carry and conceal any of the largest SIG's.

As for the "bore axis" thing, I personally think its just more internet crap. Other than maybe Glocks, and one or two others, a P7 comes to mind, the relationship between the barrel and grip at the web of the hand is pretty much the same between SIG's and most other auto pistols I own. When all this nonsense started coming about, I compared 1911's, HP's, and a few others to my SIG's and saw no difference. I've owned and shot Glocks and P7's, which if any have a lower axis, its probably them, and I did no better or worse with them over my SIG's, or any other pistol for that matter. I think if people worried more about just shooting the gun instead of why "they" cant shoot one, then maybe this nonsense would go away.

Price wise, when you compare what you get out of the box, they really are not that bad. I dont buy the super tricked out guns, just stock DA/SA models with night sights. Average price on new guns, $750. Thats in the mid range Springfield or Kimber arena without night sights, and they usually require some sort of work or break in out of the box to be acceptable. Every SIG I own has been 100% out of the box. So far, of all the guns I've owned across the major makers, only HK has been the same, and Colt a close third. You may pay less initally, but whats it costing you to get the gun to where you feel comfortable carrying it? SIG's are one of the few that dont cost any more.

Hey, everyone has their likes and dislikes, for whatever reason. Hopefully, its from actual experience, and not from so much of the misinformation being passed around the internet these days. For every piece of valid info there are easily ten more "I heards" passed on as "fact" from people who seem to have a chip on their shoulders, or at the very least, no idea of what they are talking about. The only way your going to know what really works best for "you", is to buy one and live with it for awhile and see how it goes. I've lived with Springfields, Glocks, Kimbers, Walthers, HK's, S&W's, Colts, Taurus's, and a few others, and right now, I'm married to my SIG's and Seecamp's, and have a couple of Colt and HP mistresses. It was bitter divorces from most of the rest.

[rellascout]

They are good guns but are pricey. I have owned several over the years. Still own 5 of them. P228/P229/GSR/P225 etc....

People forget that Sigs are first and foremost Combat and duty guns. They were not built or designed to be CCW guns the way others in the market place were. They are heavy and are large which IMHO are positives for a combat gun.

They are reliable and are more accurate than most shooters. They have their issues but in the end are more solid and built to a higher standard than most of the market.

I personally am moving away from Sig toward other guns but that is another story.

[Smaug]

Here's what I noted after shooting my first Sig Sauer. (compared to Ruger and Glock autos)

- Very smooth & consistent trigger pull in DA
- Crisp & light trigger in SA
- Excellent ergonomics
- Accurate
- Reliable
- Soft recoil

This is enough to sell Sigs to many folks. I don't like the looks, and in general, I prefer HKs, but that is just personal preference.

The trigger & ergonomics are better than both Ruger & Glock. (as would be expected for the price difference)

[chris in va]

I don't shoot my 220 that well, certainly not like my CZ 75. But it's never jammed on anything and is a 45, so...

[Sturmgewehre]

I've been buying Sigs for years and the worse thing to ever happen to them was to be made in the U.S.

German Made Sig:
Accuracy - 10
Fit - 10
Finish - 8 (not real durable)
Erogonomics - 9
Reliability - 10 (all of my German guns have been flawless)

American Made Sig:
Accuracy - 9
Fit - 7
Finish - 7 (more tool marks, finish is spotty in many cases)
Erogonomics - 9
Reliability - 7 (I've had 2 U.S. made Sigs that were problematic)

Moral to this story; buy German Sigs where you can. I am done buying the U.S. Sig's when I can hunt around for a NIB or LNIB model that's German made.

[gvf]

Not Glocks of course - (nor are Colt, Les Baer, Wilson etc as we all know) - but even so a reasonable, middle-class, second level gun. Any one of these latter would be a good first step towards eventual Glock ownership.

[rellascout]

I've been buying Sigs for years and the worse thing to ever happen to them was to be made in the U.S.

German Made Sig:
Accuracy - 10
Fit - 10
Finish - 8 (not real durable)
Erogonomics - 9
Reliability - 10 (all of my German guns have been flawless)

American Made Sig:
Accuracy - 9
Fit - 7
Finish - 7 (more tool marks, finish is spotty in many cases)
Erogonomics - 9
Reliability - 7 (I've had 2 U.S. made Sigs that were problematic)

Moral to this story; buy German Sigs where you can. I am done buying the U.S. Sig's when I can hunt around for a NIB or LNIB model that's German made.

Excellent Post!!!!!!!!!

[dave421]

gvf, please pass what you're smoking. Must be some great stuff.

I've only owned German Sigs so I can't testify as to the supposed lower quality US made guns (not that I'm doubting or anything).

Negatives:
heavy
thick grips
somewhat long reach to the trigger in DA
not a fan of the Nitron finish

Positives:
Sights (I actually liked the "dot the i" sights after I got used to them)
smooth DA
crisp, light SA
decocker (as opposed to some of the remaining DA/SA guns without)
short trigger & short reset trigger make trigger pull a bit nicer & easier to reach
flat out reliable
Some of the most accurate combat pistols available, especially when comparing the P226 to XDs, Glocks, Berettas, USPs, etc.

[Saab1911]

Moral to this story; buy German Sigs where you can. I am done buying the U.S. Sig's when I can hunt around for a NIB or LNIB model that's German made.

Which Sig models are German made?

Is it possible to find a new German made 226 in the U.S?

Cheers,

jae

[Erik]

"But, in the general public's eye, what makes the so good?"

Competent marketing coupled with who uses them, just like the other companies who enjoy such reputations. Note: Competent marketing and general knowledge of who uses them are closely tied.

[LUPUS]

'' The snob SigSauer users who pays high amount of prices to their pistol just for status along with the competent marketing are what makes the SigSauers so great. ''

This is the plain summary of the thoughts of the SigSauer bashers which is a kind of BS ignorance of the stunning tack driving record of a brand. And the only valid reason they are giving for claiming that is their personal incompatibility with the P series pistols due to the grips or trigger reaches, etc, which is possible for every individual shooter with any kind of brand.

SigSauer pistols with many teutonic innovations incorparated in them are rock solid reliable, dead on accurate handguns. And their success can not be attributed only to the nob factor of their users and competent marketing managers.

[BigJimP]

Long term durability and reliability .......Sig just plain builds a solid gun....and its the best in the DA/SA categor for my money. My personal preference is for the model 226 lineup - especially the all stainless versions - and to me they are a solid choice for a carry weapon / or tucked into a drawer in my bedroom closet ...especially in .40 S&W.

[prairieviper]

What makes them so great you ask? To hell and back reliability......when it counts!

[HK123]

Not Glocks of course - (nor are Colt, Les Baer, Wilson etc as we all know) - but even so a reasonable, middle-class, second level gun. Any one of these latter would be a good first step towards eventual Glock ownership.

More of this crap...I wish mods were more strict on people.

[benzuncle]

I own 2 Sigs: a P220 Compact and a Mosquito. I have small hands and have no problem whatsoever shooting the 45. I shoot one-handed mostly and the Sig makes me look good down range. The Mosquito, recently purchased has been nothing less than great. Whatever problems they had with it were fixed before they built mine. I've fired several other Sigs with the same results. I ususally need some time with another firearm to get comfortable; not so with the Sigs. A few weeks ago, two gentlemen brought in a crate with a huge amount of Speer Gold Dot in .357 Sig. When I saw the firearm, an old Sig P229 I commented on it; the owner insisted that I try it. I let his friend, who was learning to shoot use the Mosquito. I had never fired anything in .357 Sig before. The P229 had rust on the decocker, mag release and slide release. The barrel was worn shiney in places. It shot incredibly well. It made me look so good! I ended up shooting 96 rounds through it at the owner's insistence, shooting out the bullseye, then stuff in the corners because the bullseye was vapor. Half of the 12 round mags were shot one-handed. The owner was a Sky Marshall and this was his range gun. What a privilege. I think one of the best things about a Sig Sauer is that you don't need to shoot 500 rounds through them to "break them in". To me, that should have been accomplished in some manner at the factory.

[kristop64089]

Moral to this story; buy German Sigs where you can. I am done buying the U.S. Sig's when I can hunt around for a NIB or LNIB model that's German made

This is my Ignorance showing. I gotta ask...is this one German made? (it says so)


My understanding was the ones marked "made in W.German, were truly German.(is that what we are talking about)

[Chui]

"Their Nitron Finish is weak at best."

You had a bad example. It's the best coating for wear resistance being a PVD coating. There is electroless Nickel underneath the black coating you see.


They are pinpoint accurate.

They are reliable.

With the short RESET trigger it has the second or third shortest trigger reset in the industry (Walther P99, 1911, Sig,...)

[kristop64089]

Chui, I had a Horrible example And Sigs lackluster attitude was even worse.
Long story short it was a "non issued CPO", it had never left Sig. It was a factory demo. I can deal with holster wear, nut this looked like brushed on BIC ink.

Hindsight is 20/20 tho. I now pay a more attention to my purchases, and will buy nothing used from Buds again.

[OneClownDown]

Sig, to hell and back reliability. I am a SIG fan. I was and still am a Glock fan as well.

[Glockeroo]

Not Glocks of course - (nor are Colt, Les Baer, Wilson etc as we all know) - but even so a reasonable, middle-class, second level gun. Any one of these latter would be a good first step towards eventual Glock ownership.

You are a god, and you understand what this masterpiece is all about.

[kristop64089]

I'm going to start crapping in your threads, guys.

This isn't a friggin VS. thread. Read my posts in other threads, I know Glocks, I don't want it here. I am asking about Sigs.

I get it Glockeroo, I know you like Glocks, but dang man. Can we have a thread without the Glock rhetoric. I believe you are doing more harm than good, for Gaston. You are coming off fanatical, which, Is not cool.
So, please, save it for another day.

[KyJim]

Why is my Sig so great?

Nice crisp trigger.
Short trigger reset.
Great fit and finish.
Accurate.
What "high bore axis?" Mine is just right.
Good ergonomic grips.
Flat and easily concealable.

Here's a picture of my Sig:
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[kristop64089]

Nice gun KY Jim