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February 4, 2011, 01:37 PM | #51 |
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Ok, Bloomberg hates guns. Did the sellers play into his hands?
What's the conclusion?
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So what? It's easy for a resident of NY to get an illegal gun in NY. Why would he go all the way to AZ to do it? It's odd how people are continuously surprised that criminals will do illegal things. You might as well be shocked when the sun rises tomorrow.
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February 4, 2011, 04:13 PM | #53 |
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The problem, PK....
... is that we need to make it illegal to use guns in commission of felonies.
Oh, wait... Um.... we need to make assault and murder illegal... This is tougher than I thought. |
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I haven't flown in a while, with or without firearms... when you check a gun with your luggage, does the TSA make any attempt to determine if you're legally in possession of it? Quote:
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Leaving NY the local PD at the airport were also called who confirmed the SN on my handgun was the same as the one on my permit. NY requires a permit to OWN a handgun and every gun owned is listed on said permit. Picking up in FL was simple, just a normal bag. Your gun carrying luggage is NOT flagged. Returning from FL only required the confirmation of the firearm's status (unloaded and packed per the TSA and Southwest requirements). There was no looking for a permit, SN or anything else although it was clear I was from NY and going there. Picking up in NY was simp picking up a bag, unmarked and the same as thousands of others.
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February 4, 2011, 10:28 PM | #57 |
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When I became a cop in 1970 one of the first things that we were instructed to be careful of was to not get involved if crimes taking place outside our jurisdiction. Without knowing all the details I can't be sure but it is possible they can be arrested
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Glenn,
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February 5, 2011, 04:51 AM | #59 |
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jimpeel...
... I'm not so sure they broke any law.
Were the sellers FFLs? If so, they have to do the paperwork. If they were private sellers, then they have lesser standards to meet. As far as a guy saying, "I probably wouldn't pass a check," I haven't heard the tape. Did the guy sound sneaky, or snarky? (Anybody who's been on active duty has probably heard jokes about anything from drugs to hookers in the luggage, hope they don't check, etc...) My point being, did the guy sound like he was actually serious, or did he make light of it like he was just being funny? Too many variables. |
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Most gun shows now have a requirement that anything that is sold under their roof has to have a background check done before the sale. They have FFLs there working the phones for that purpose only.
The private seller has to take the sale to one of those FFLs to do the NICS check to sell a firearm at the show. I have no idea if this particular gun show had those provisions or what the law is in the state of AZ.
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February 5, 2011, 06:22 PM | #61 |
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That's not the case in Tx but I don't see that many private collection (hmm) tables lately.
Went to the show today and was it crowded. Wow. Bought lots of ammo! glenn
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February 5, 2011, 06:29 PM | #62 |
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Haven't been to a gun show in Virginia in a year or so but I rarely saw dealers calling into NICS for FFLs, although a friend of mine said some dealers were asking for proof of Citizenship for some "assault type" weapons lately.
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February 5, 2011, 08:21 PM | #63 |
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No background check time waster at AZ gunshows for private sellers. Times were it was ONLY private sellers at a gun SHOW, dealers were forbidden. Then they changed that, and quantity went up, along with prices.
I don't care what Bloomers wanted to prove, all he proved was he pulled a publicity stunt in a state he has no jurisdiction in, same as if we staged drug buys on camera in his town to prove his cops are ineffective. Also, if his people didn't report the crime, (as the sellers did violate the law if they heard the guy and understood that the comment meant he was probably prohibited), then they certainly should be arrested as accessories to a crime, and Bloomers prosecuted under RICO for fomenting multiple crimes across state lines. unfortunately Bloomers has many powerful political cronies, and when those run out, his vast resources will buy more cronies. |
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Buyer: Do you need to do a background check? Seller: No Buyer: "I probably wouldn't pass a check," sale proceeds... There is a pretty high standard to prove the seller knows anything but it was clearly met here.
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February 5, 2011, 09:12 PM | #65 |
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Hey guess what?! Sometimes rebirthed cars are sold as geunine vehicles too!
They might even be used in a crime or two. How about cars are banned? |
February 6, 2011, 12:00 AM | #66 |
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Already been done, ad nauseum.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/infor...em.asp?ID=1243 http://www.kc3.com/news/carsvguns.htm http://reason.com/archives/1999/11/0...to-the-streets
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The fallacy if the so called loop hole is that private party sales do not require checks and there is no reason they should be required because you are in a gun show. Even if checks were required it would be legal for 2 people to step outside the building and do the transaction. But once the anti gunners get the gun shot law the next step will be to include all private sales
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February 6, 2011, 11:52 PM | #68 | |
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Maybe I was too hasty when I said "most". It seems that I erred.
Here in Colorado: Quote:
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February 7, 2011, 04:52 PM | #69 |
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Musketeer, my question wasn't about whether it was said, but how it was said.
IE, was it a nervous, "man we could get in trouble for this" statement, or more of a jokey, good ol'boy having fun tone of voice? Personally, I only sell FtF to people I know, and use FFL transfers for sales to strangers (including TFL members I don't know firsthand). But I'm kind of conservative that way. |
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