moss 500 as bear protection - Page 2

AJG · June 29, 2009, 01:00 PM

I'd definately carry both a shotgun & a pistol. The high powered rifle isn't going to do you any good if its a close confrontation, I'd much rather be throwing big 1 ounce pieces of hardened lead 3" Magnums at the deamon. A good slug can do an amazing amount of damage and definately take down a charging bear.

Handgun cal =
.44 mag or
.454 Casul or
.50 S/W

M500 with:
Lightfield Hybred-Elite 3" Magnums or
Dixie Tusker 3"

bigghoss · June 29, 2009, 01:58 PM

morgage your house so you can afford the first payment to put a smith X-frame on lay-away

Hank15 · June 29, 2009, 03:19 PM

http://www.winchester.com/products/n...P3product.aspx

Those are nice, but kind of pricy at a few $ per shot.

Buffalo Bore and Winchester Leverevolution ammo for the revolver sound fine too.

If you really don't want to carry a shotgun, you can consider these:

http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgist...d=6706542.9616

I remember they did a test with their 9mm and it took down a 400+ lb boar or hog with a single shot.

Senator Vitaman · June 29, 2009, 04:53 PM

EXTREME SHOCK is essentially a glaser slug. That is, it expands exremely rapidly and is probably filled with birdshot. In other words, if you shoot a bear with it it will only be a flesh wound. In fact, that round doesn't even meet the FBI standards for the rounds they use, and they concerned with criminals, not bears.
Notice it doesn't say where they shot the hog, it could have been a neck shot. It doesn't even say they used extreme shock.

I'd also avoid any buckshot. The stuff has about the power of a 9mm or less per pellet. I don't think shooting a grizzly bear 9 times with a 9mm would really harm it much.

Nnobby45 · June 29, 2009, 05:03 PM

Since there's such a shortage of opinions on this thread, I'll add my 10 cents worth (inflation).

The Mossberg 500 is but a platform capable of launching a slug. If you're skilled in it's use, the stock length is correct, and the gun is reliable, then why wouldn't it be as suitable as any other?

Since Grizzlies are big and tough, I think the folks up there tend to use hard slugs like Brennekes, as someone mentioned, for better penetration.

banditt007 · June 29, 2009, 06:29 PM

Those dixie slugs are some seriously nice slugs. The best for large dangerous game for a shotgun IMO. I'd completely skip any and all buckshot. Also if you go brenneke's i'd go for a heavier slug than the 1oz, though it may have less velocity. With slugs on dangerous animals my take is you want the heaviest slug, that will not deform and will drive deep. Many times lighter + higher velocity = less penetration.

If i was you i'd have bear spray and the shotgun filled with proper slugs only. Also do NOT buy sabot slugs. full bore slugs only

Brigadier · June 30, 2009, 05:54 PM

12 ga: http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo.../12-gauge-slug

.44 Mag: http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...low-point-ammo

fast-eddie · July 1, 2009, 04:17 AM

Bear spray. with the shotgun and .44 for back up

CraigC · July 7, 2009, 11:15 AM

I'd love to see some penetration testing of the various 12ga slugs as compared to heavyweight cast bullets from a big bore rifle or even a heavy revolver. Because I have a REALLY hard time believing that a slug would give better penetration than a .45/70 loaded with a 400gr hardcast at 2000fps. Muzzle energy is meaningless in this discussion.

SamStafford · July 8, 2009, 12:21 PM

I'll go with the Mossy 500 12ga with 00 Buck and Slugs. You can't go wrong there.

spacemanspiff · July 8, 2009, 12:50 PM

From someone who lives in Alaska, a 12 gauge with slugs will be adequate. Intersperse some buckshot in there, won't hurta thing. And yes, carry a backup, and have your son equipped with bear spray. But it when you get up here, most places have the holsters so they carry easily on the hips.
Feel free to bring the beretta to carry if you are wandering around Anchorage or Fairbanks.

Don't forget if you get pulled over by police or troopers or fish & wildlife, present your photo id and permit to carry, hand them over, saying "State law requires I show you these, and advise you that I am carrying."
If you don't you can get charged with a 'misconduct involving weapons charge'.

Have fun while you are up here! Oh yeah, do the touristy thing, and stop in Anchorage, get a few tshirts from Wild West Guns, Humpys Great Alaska Alehouse, and the Great Alaskan Bush Company.

June 29, 2009, 01:58 PM	#27
bigghoss Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2006 Location: Pueblo, Colorado Posts: 2,664	morgage your house so you can afford the first payment to put a smith X-frame on lay-away __________________ I don't collect guns, I accumulate them.

June 29, 2009, 04:53 PM	#29
Senator Vitaman Member Join Date: May 2, 2009 Posts: 37	EXTREME SHOCK is essentially a glaser slug. That is, it expands exremely rapidly and is probably filled with birdshot. In other words, if you shoot a bear with it it will only be a flesh wound. In fact, that round doesn't even meet the FBI standards for the rounds they use, and they concerned with criminals, not bears. Notice it doesn't say where they shot the hog, it could have been a neck shot. It doesn't even say they used extreme shock. I'd also avoid any buckshot. The stuff has about the power of a 9mm or less per pellet. I don't think shooting a grizzly bear 9 times with a 9mm would really harm it much. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo This is scary stuff, tell congress no cutting off care. Last edited by Senator Vitaman; June 29, 2009 at 04:58 PM.

July 1, 2009, 04:17 AM	#33
fast-eddie Senior Member Join Date: March 10, 2009 Location: Tigard Or, Posts: 342	spray Bear spray. with the shotgun and .44 for back up

July 8, 2009, 12:50 PM	#36
spacemanspiff Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2002 Location: alaska Posts: 3,498	From someone who lives in Alaska, a 12 gauge with slugs will be adequate. Intersperse some buckshot in there, won't hurta thing. And yes, carry a backup, and have your son equipped with bear spray. But it when you get up here, most places have the holsters so they carry easily on the hips. Feel free to bring the beretta to carry if you are wandering around Anchorage or Fairbanks. Don't forget if you get pulled over by police or troopers or fish & wildlife, present your photo id and permit to carry, hand them over, saying "State law requires I show you these, and advise you that I am carrying." If you don't you can get charged with a 'misconduct involving weapons charge'. Have fun while you are up here! Oh yeah, do the touristy thing, and stop in Anchorage, get a few tshirts from Wild West Guns, Humpys Great Alaska Alehouse, and the Great Alaskan Bush Company. __________________ "Every man alone is sincere; at the entrance of a second person hypocrisy begins." - Ralph Waldo Emerson "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." - Soren Kierkegaard

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June 29, 2009, 01:00 PM	#26
AJG Member Join Date: November 21, 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 88	I'd definately carry both a shotgun & a pistol. The high powered rifle isn't going to do you any good if its a close confrontation, I'd much rather be throwing big 1 ounce pieces of hardened lead 3" Magnums at the deamon. A good slug can do an amazing amount of damage and definately take down a charging bear. Handgun cal = .44 mag or .454 Casul or .50 S/W M500 with: Lightfield Hybred-Elite 3" Magnums or Dixie Tusker 3"

June 29, 2009, 03:19 PM	#28
Hank15 Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2009 Location: California Posts: 437	http://www.winchester.com/products/n...P3product.aspx Those are nice, but kind of pricy at a few $ per shot. Buffalo Bore and Winchester Leverevolution ammo for the revolver sound fine too. If you really don't want to carry a shotgun, you can consider these: http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgist...d=6706542.9616 I remember they did a test with their 9mm and it took down a 400+ lb boar or hog with a single shot.

June 29, 2009, 05:03 PM	#30
Nnobby45 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2004 Posts: 3,150	Since there's such a shortage of opinions on this thread, I'll add my 10 cents worth (inflation). The Mossberg 500 is but a platform capable of launching a slug. If you're skilled in it's use, the stock length is correct, and the gun is reliable, then why wouldn't it be as suitable as any other? Since Grizzlies are big and tough, I think the folks up there tend to use hard slugs like Brennekes, as someone mentioned, for better penetration.

June 29, 2009, 06:29 PM	#31
banditt007 Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2006 Posts: 694	Those dixie slugs are some seriously nice slugs. The best for large dangerous game for a shotgun IMO. I'd completely skip any and all buckshot. Also if you go brenneke's i'd go for a heavier slug than the 1oz, though it may have less velocity. With slugs on dangerous animals my take is you want the heaviest slug, that will not deform and will drive deep. Many times lighter + higher velocity = less penetration. If i was you i'd have bear spray and the shotgun filled with proper slugs only. Also do NOT buy sabot slugs. full bore slugs only

June 30, 2009, 05:54 PM	#32
Brigadier Member Join Date: June 3, 2009 Posts: 32	12 ga: http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo.../12-gauge-slug .44 Mag: http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...low-point-ammo

July 7, 2009, 11:15 AM	#34
CraigC Junior member Join Date: November 28, 2001 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 4,300	I'd love to see some penetration testing of the various 12ga slugs as compared to heavyweight cast bullets from a big bore rifle or even a heavy revolver. Because I have a REALLY hard time believing that a slug would give better penetration than a .45/70 loaded with a 400gr hardcast at 2000fps. Muzzle energy is meaningless in this discussion.

July 8, 2009, 12:21 PM	#35
SamStafford Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2009 Location: Portageville, MO. 63873 Posts: 162	I'll go with the Mossy 500 12ga with 00 Buck and Slugs. You can't go wrong there.