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Old November 10, 2018, 07:10 AM   #1
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New USAF Aircrew Self Defense Weapon

Does anybody have any additional information about the foldable M4 varianthttps://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...ver-shot-down/ that the USAF is fielding not so much as a survival, but as a self defence weapon?
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Old November 10, 2018, 07:54 AM   #2
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It looks very much like a variant built in Texas at FoldAR.
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Old November 11, 2018, 04:26 AM   #3
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It is a quick detachable barrel system that allows it to fit into an ejection seat's survival kit. Some people concerned about Combat Search and Rescue realized that the M9's effective range and terminal ballistics were not a very good fit in defending a downed pilot against ISIS and other groups.

The M4 is too large to fit in the seat kit, even partially disassembled. The USAF had to find something quite small, but still wanted similar ballistics and effective range.
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Old November 11, 2018, 05:12 AM   #4
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Any ideas why the Air Force didn't want a PDW like the P90 or the MP7? These designs seem to be literally made for the given purpose...
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Old November 11, 2018, 07:42 AM   #5
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PDW or similar would probably require some sort of acceptance procedure, and funding for purchase.

This is just a modification of a shelf weapon, probably much easier to fund and acquire.
My guess anyway.
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Old November 11, 2018, 05:39 PM   #6
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Why not a PDW is a good question. The MP7 is already in use by the U.S. govt.
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Why not a PDW is a good question. The MP7 is already in use by the U.S. govt.
Is it indeed?
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Range, terminal ballistics, training time, cost and logistical support.
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Why not give them P90s?
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Any ideas why the Air Force didn't want a PDW like the P90 or the MP7? These designs seem to be literally made for the given purpose...
5.56x45mm is a more effective cartridge in almost all respects, and there is a commonality in ammunition, magazines, maintenance, and training versus other options.
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5.56x45mm is a more effective cartridge in almost all respects, and there is a commonality in ammunition, magazines, maintenance, and training versus other options.
I reckon for the given, extremely limited use that would have been an acceptable trade-off, though...
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