data for barnes 44 mag bullets

riverratt · October 7, 2014, 07:30 AM

Okay so i have a co-worker that lost a deer last year because a 240gr xtp blew apart on the deers shoulder. (Or so he says) but anyway he asked if i had a good load useing imr 4227 under a 200gr bullet. I told him i dont but i gave him some data from my hornady book i had in the car. He told me that he is going to try the barnes 200gr xpb for his marlin .44. Wait a second!!! Monolithic handgun bullet. Thats gotta have different data than a lead core bullet, right? I looked on barnes sight, it only gave data for enforser and #9 thats it.

does anyone have any data for the .429 200gr barnes XPB in a .44 mag. Using IMR 4227?
Thanks in advance

TimSr · October 7, 2014, 10:43 AM

I use exclusively Hornady XTP bullets for deer hunting (revolver), and I do not believe your friend's claim if that is the "XTP" bullet he is using. (I know everybody wants to call their holow point an XTP these days.)

If he wants an expanding bullet with more penetration and less likley to come apart from 44 rifle velocities, they make a Hornady XTP in 300gr.

I'm not familiar with that Barnes bullet, but I'm wondering of the wisdom in going to a lighter bullet to fix his perceived problem unless it is of a construction that does not expand.

I did have this happen to me many years ago with semi-jacketed hollow points, but I recovered the deer and what little was left of the 240gr slug. I switched to hardcast SWC and eliminated the problem until trying the Hornady XTPs when they came out some years later.

mxsailor803 · October 7, 2014, 11:29 AM

Hope your friend isn't dead set on that bullet. I tried 100 of them earlier this year and could not ever get a good group out of my 629 and Ruger Deerfield. I mean I tried 4227, W296, and even Trailboss from powderpuff loads to hold on tight. I do use the 240gr Hornady XTP's and I find that it "blew up" pretty hard to believe.

Longshot4 · October 7, 2014, 12:04 PM

I tried to find a load for you and found out that you want the XPB 200gr. #20020 made for Rem. 44 Mag. The canalure is designed for the 44Mag. The powder that was used was AAC-9.
That is all I could find. Maybe you will be able to find more info on the web.

I personally agree with the Barnes bullet for having the bullet holding together.

I have personally shot a deer at 100 yds. broad side and had the 180gr. Speer pass through. Although a second shot from behind hitting the top of the spine-back strap area only went about 1 Ft. do to weight loss.

Longshot4 · October 7, 2014, 12:45 PM

I went to the Hogdon sight and found what you might be looking for. H 4227 for a 200Gr bullet Vel. 1686. But I would try Lil"Gun for the 200Gr. Vel.1794.

Check out the sight your self for more info.

Longshot4 · October 7, 2014, 01:06 PM

I received a E mail from Barnes for the 200gr. bullet. your H4227 was not in the info. The Lil'Gun was their starting load for 200gr XPB was as fallows (Case trim length 1.275, Primer 2 1/2 rem, Twist rate 1:18, Lil'Gun start at 20.0 Vel 1504, Max. 22.2gr. Vel. 1653. I suggest you work up the loads for accuracy simply because. If you don't hit the target it doesn't mater what you shoot.

riverratt · October 7, 2014, 01:06 PM

I absolutly agree with y'all. I called his bluff many times told him that it had to be a poor shot. I have killed many deer with the 200gr and 240gr with my handgun, some hitting shoulder. It just plows through and kills. If i had to guess, he said the deer was less then 10yrds and above him, he either shot low or high. My guess is high due to the angle, and he only hit the top of one lung at best. Either way it was the first deer he shot with either the .44 or the XTP so his assumption is that the bullet was to weak to bust a shoulder or the bullet failed because its a hollowpoint.

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Hope your friend isn't dead set on that bullet. I tried 100 of them earlier this year and could not ever get a good group out of my 62 and Ruger Deerfield. I mean I tried 4227, W296, and even Trailbos from powderpuff loads to hold on tight

To call him a friend is, well an overstatement to say the least, we're mearly co-workers with the same intrest. Nevertheless i say he jumped in head first with this idea as he bought 5 boxs of barnes, yes 5 boxs, 100 bullets for $100 before tax.

See why i dont call him a friend, never wrong and i already have enough friends that make me look smarter then i am.

buck460XVR · October 7, 2014, 01:56 PM

While I've never had a problem with the 240gr XTP outta a revolver for deer, using it in a carbine is different. If your friend wants something with a tad more penetration, than a quality JSP from any of the major bullet manufacturers will work. I like either the Remingtons or the Noslers. Another good option is the 270 gr Deep Curl. No reason for those high priced monolithics for deer unless one is in a no-lead area.

TimSr · October 8, 2014, 07:20 AM

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Nevertheless i say he jumped in head first with this idea as he bought 5 boxs of barnes, yes 5 boxs, 100 bullets for $100 before tax.

Should solve his imaginary problem. Look forward to your relaying his excuses for this year's deer that got away!

mxsailor803 · October 8, 2014, 12:57 PM

I got lucky when I got my 100. I originally bought single box and my grandfather had just got rid of his last .44mag and he gave me several thousands of rounds from the Barnes to his hand cast. If your co-worker is looking for more solid penetration, he should consider a Keith type cast bullet.

bluetopper · October 8, 2014, 07:58 PM

From ''my" experience you cannot overload a 44 Magnum using 4227 powder.

I nicely compressed load of 4227, properly seated to the intended bullet depth, no matter the bullet weight works very well.

Snyper · October 9, 2014, 08:01 PM

I've used XTP's in revolvers, carbines and muzzleloaders, and never had one "come apart"

I suspect your friend just made a poor shot

codefour · September 7, 2015, 08:12 PM

I rekindled this old thread. Those of us stuck in The communist state of California are being forced to hunt with lead free bullets. I am trying to work up a load for my SBH .44 Mag using the 225 grn XPB bullets. I have three boxes at $20 each

Barnes only lists AA#9 and Enforcer data. Anyone have any idea where to start with 2400? I have 2400, 110/296 on hand. I thought 2400 would be safer and more flexible. I cannot locate #9 or Enforcer anywhere locally.

I emailed Barnes and asked the above question but I have not received a response yet. If I get one I will paste it here.

458winshooter · September 7, 2015, 10:39 PM

I have a Loadmap book that is some years old that has load data for 2400,Unique,H-110,Tightgroup and IMR-4227 for this bullet if you think it will help.My one book/one caliber book lists Barnes data for H-110,Imr-4227,W296,2400,and Blue Dot for it as well.Let me know if this can help you.

Bocefus78 · September 8, 2015, 09:06 AM

458winshooter,

I would like that info for the 225gr using imr4227.

Thanks!

OP,

Do not try using standard load data for a similar weight bullet on these barnes rounds. They are considerably longer than a standard lead core projectile.
FWIW, They don't group worth a crap from my marlin due to the oversized .431 barrel.

458winshooter · September 8, 2015, 10:51 AM

Barnes lists: Remington case
WLP primer
19.0 gr @1208
21.0 gr @ 1437

October 7, 2014, 07:30 AM	#1
riverratt Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2014 Posts: 314	data for barnes 44 mag bullets Okay so i have a co-worker that lost a deer last year because a 240gr xtp blew apart on the deers shoulder. (Or so he says) but anyway he asked if i had a good load useing imr 4227 under a 200gr bullet. I told him i dont but i gave him some data from my hornady book i had in the car. He told me that he is going to try the barnes 200gr xpb for his marlin .44. Wait a second!!! Monolithic handgun bullet. Thats gotta have different data than a lead core bullet, right? I looked on barnes sight, it only gave data for enforser and #9 thats it. does anyone have any data for the .429 200gr barnes XPB in a .44 mag. Using IMR 4227? Thanks in advance

October 9, 2014, 08:01 PM	#12
Snyper Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2013 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 3,047	I've used XTP's in revolvers, carbines and muzzleloaders, and never had one "come apart" I suspect your friend just made a poor shot __________________ One shot, one kill

September 7, 2015, 10:39 PM	#14
458winshooter Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Transplanted to Ridgeland,SC Posts: 606	225 XPB I have a Loadmap book that is some years old that has load data for 2400,Unique,H-110,Tightgroup and IMR-4227 for this bullet if you think it will help.My one book/one caliber book lists Barnes data for H-110,Imr-4227,W296,2400,and Blue Dot for it as well.Let me know if this can help you.

September 8, 2015, 10:51 AM	#16
458winshooter Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Transplanted to Ridgeland,SC Posts: 606	Barnes data Barnes lists: Remington case WLP primer 19.0 gr @1208 21.0 gr @ 1437

October 7, 2014, 10:43 AM	#2
TimSr Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2013 Location: Rittman, Ohio Posts: 2,074	I use exclusively Hornady XTP bullets for deer hunting (revolver), and I do not believe your friend's claim if that is the "XTP" bullet he is using. (I know everybody wants to call their holow point an XTP these days.) If he wants an expanding bullet with more penetration and less likley to come apart from 44 rifle velocities, they make a Hornady XTP in 300gr. I'm not familiar with that Barnes bullet, but I'm wondering of the wisdom in going to a lighter bullet to fix his perceived problem unless it is of a construction that does not expand. I did have this happen to me many years ago with semi-jacketed hollow points, but I recovered the deer and what little was left of the 240gr slug. I switched to hardcast SWC and eliminated the problem until trying the Hornady XTPs when they came out some years later.

October 7, 2014, 11:29 AM	#3
mxsailor803 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2010 Location: SC Posts: 1,344	Hope your friend isn't dead set on that bullet. I tried 100 of them earlier this year and could not ever get a good group out of my 629 and Ruger Deerfield. I mean I tried 4227, W296, and even Trailboss from powderpuff loads to hold on tight. I do use the 240gr Hornady XTP's and I find that it "blew up" pretty hard to believe.

October 7, 2014, 12:04 PM	#4
Longshot4 Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2014 Posts: 868	I tried to find a load for you and found out that you want the XPB 200gr. #20020 made for Rem. 44 Mag. The canalure is designed for the 44Mag. The powder that was used was AAC-9. That is all I could find. Maybe you will be able to find more info on the web. I personally agree with the Barnes bullet for having the bullet holding together. I have personally shot a deer at 100 yds. broad side and had the 180gr. Speer pass through. Although a second shot from behind hitting the top of the spine-back strap area only went about 1 Ft. do to weight loss.

October 7, 2014, 12:45 PM	#5
Longshot4 Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2014 Posts: 868	I went to the Hogdon sight and found what you might be looking for. H 4227 for a 200Gr bullet Vel. 1686. But I would try Lil"Gun for the 200Gr. Vel.1794. Check out the sight your self for more info.

October 7, 2014, 01:06 PM	#6
Longshot4 Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2014 Posts: 868	I received a E mail from Barnes for the 200gr. bullet. your H4227 was not in the info. The Lil'Gun was their starting load for 200gr XPB was as fallows (Case trim length 1.275, Primer 2 1/2 rem, Twist rate 1:18, Lil'Gun start at 20.0 Vel 1504, Max. 22.2gr. Vel. 1653. I suggest you work up the loads for accuracy simply because. If you don't hit the target it doesn't mater what you shoot.

October 7, 2014, 01:56 PM	#8
buck460XVR Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2006 Posts: 4,342	While I've never had a problem with the 240gr XTP outta a revolver for deer, using it in a carbine is different. If your friend wants something with a tad more penetration, than a quality JSP from any of the major bullet manufacturers will work. I like either the Remingtons or the Noslers. Another good option is the 270 gr Deep Curl. No reason for those high priced monolithics for deer unless one is in a no-lead area.

October 8, 2014, 12:57 PM	#10
mxsailor803 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2010 Location: SC Posts: 1,344	I got lucky when I got my 100. I originally bought single box and my grandfather had just got rid of his last .44mag and he gave me several thousands of rounds from the Barnes to his hand cast. If your co-worker is looking for more solid penetration, he should consider a Keith type cast bullet.

October 8, 2014, 07:58 PM	#11
bluetopper Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2005 Location: Northeast TX Posts: 1,197	From ''my" experience you cannot overload a 44 Magnum using 4227 powder. I nicely compressed load of 4227, properly seated to the intended bullet depth, no matter the bullet weight works very well.

September 7, 2015, 08:12 PM	#13
codefour Senior Member Join Date: April 2, 2012 Posts: 114	I rekindled this old thread. Those of us stuck in The communist state of California are being forced to hunt with lead free bullets. I am trying to work up a load for my SBH .44 Mag using the 225 grn XPB bullets. I have three boxes at $20 each Barnes only lists AA#9 and Enforcer data. Anyone have any idea where to start with 2400? I have 2400, 110/296 on hand. I thought 2400 would be safer and more flexible. I cannot locate #9 or Enforcer anywhere locally. I emailed Barnes and asked the above question but I have not received a response yet. If I get one I will paste it here.

September 8, 2015, 09:06 AM	#15
Bocefus78 Junior Member Join Date: July 30, 2013 Posts: 9	458winshooter, I would like that info for the 225gr using imr4227. Thanks! OP, Do not try using standard load data for a similar weight bullet on these barnes rounds. They are considerably longer than a standard lead core projectile. FWIW, They don't group worth a crap from my marlin due to the oversized .431 barrel.