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Old March 7, 2020, 04:11 AM   #51
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Woops- my "Sootch" video was a duplicate.

To be extremely clear: I've never been very aware of trigger reset distance and other similar details, known and appreciated by very well-trained handgun connoisseurs.
My goal this time--to be quite frank (no pun intended)-- was to have a SA/DA handgun type >>used by some of the German police<<, but not the HK USP or P30 type of DA trigger with heavier 'stacking' (tension increase at the end of the pull).

I like the DA trigger a bit more than with my standard Sig P228, 'true' P225 ('87) and also a bit better than the stock DA pull of my CZ PCR.

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Old March 7, 2020, 09:42 AM   #52
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I 've acquired my pistols for similar reasons. As TunnelRat said "this pistol is causing you this level of consternation, why not carry something else? The market is full of pistols that are different." This is great advice for me, however, the lure of shooting tighter groups with the Q gnaws at me.
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Old March 7, 2020, 01:37 PM   #53
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As for the P99 AS, its a shame that HK couldn't design/manufacture such a nice DA trigger in their P 30. Never mind a lighter pull in their USPs.

This DA on the P99 has better "stacking" than my CZ PCR and Sig P228.
The more I shoot this P99, the more I Really like it.

And I mean using > only < DA for about half of my shots.
I can't speak to the HKs. I backed into the P99s by accident. When I saw that the P99 in .40 could load 12 rounds instead of the 10 in my .40 CZ 100, I migrated to replace my woods gun. Then the bonuses of great trigger in DA/SA, great grip, etc just filled in the cracks. I was sold and bought a P99as in 9mm for city carry.

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Do you guys notice how many people (--seasoned handgun shooters--) try out a gun which they are told is DA/SA...but Only shoot with the hammer (or striker) already cocked?

This always leaves me curious why they are only comfortable using SA----
I carry in DA mode, but I admit that usually at the range, when I let the slide down on a new magazine, letting off the pre-cocked trigger seems a bit backwards. My theory is you pick up all sorts of habits unconsciously and I don't want to find myself in a real live "bad situation" decocking my pistol after a mag swap b/c of habit. When I start a shooting string, I start DA. After that, usually SA until done. That's my theory. I can't speak for shooters smarter and more experienced than me.
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Old March 8, 2020, 12:18 AM   #54
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doofus47: Taking only the first shot in DA seems reasonable, and duplicates typical practice, I suppose.

My problem was finally getting the first real "gun bug" at age 52 (2007)--just rifles-- and at about 59 finally seeing the appeal of handguns (WW2 Sauer 38H my first), then carrying.

https://postmediamontrealgazette2.fi...y=55&strip=all

Having been to Germany about six times, possibly officers like this (...the one on the Left...for the wise guys...) might help might explain my Solid preference for present or former German police handguns (my Sigs, Walther P99 AS).

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Old March 9, 2020, 05:46 AM   #55
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The PPQ is really nice for a consistent trigger pull. For DA/SA, the P99 is excellent. You don't get hammer feedback for reholstering but you do get a decent double action, a beautifully short reset, and a single action that's even better than the PPQ. Being a DA/SA guy, I'd naturally choose the P99 for carry over the PPQ.

I like the form factor on both of these guns. They are relatively compact and low-snag for full-sized guns. I really like the long paddle release on the P99 and PPQ M1. It is easy to operate with a trigger finger without repositioning grip. This might be rare but some button releases can be accidentally depressed if you hit a counter or table corner the right way. The paddle release tends to be protected by holsters.

Depending on your style, one of these could be an excellent carry choice.
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Old March 9, 2020, 07:46 AM   #56
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To boot, if you keep pressing the decocker when reholstering a P99, the P99 decocker is an additional physical firing pin block.
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Old March 9, 2020, 09:03 AM   #57
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Upon pressing the decocker while pulling DA, the trigger still functions; are you saying the striker under this condition will not hit the primer?
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Old March 9, 2020, 04:51 PM   #58
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It will not.

It's the same issue as the video posted.

You think it fired, it did not. If you keep pressing the decocker down, and pull the trigger on a round, the round will not go off.

Releasing the striker vs primer hit. Two different things.

The decocker on the P99AS is also a firing pin block. When depressed, the P99 cannot fire.
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Old March 9, 2020, 08:37 PM   #59
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I don't carry it but I love my PPQ. Great shooting gun.
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While decocking a P99, it would take two mechanical safety devices to break to fire a round.

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Old March 10, 2020, 10:04 AM   #61
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The decocker on the P99AS is also a firing pin block. When depressed, the P99 cannot fire.

Thank you. That is really good to know.
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Old March 10, 2020, 10:48 AM   #62
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I see your point!. I actually once bought a Sig P6 b/c that's what I saw a lot of polizei carrying. It was also a fine pistol, but eventually moved on as the bulk of my collection over took it for capacity and weight.
Collecting is a weird thing. When I was young and surplus guns were cheap, I didn't have any money. Now that I have a decent job and have some disposable income, everything is still out of reach. Can't win for losing.
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Old March 11, 2020, 11:12 AM   #63
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I CC my PPQ M1 sometimes. I do admit I feel a little more at ease when holstering/un-holstering one of my DA/SA models. For that reason I usually CC my P-30. I started out shooting DA/SA which more than likely has a lot to do with it.

My PPQ has exceptional accuracy and it's the gun most like when I let others shoot all of my 9's side by side. For woods carry, I'll use any of my 9's since I'm not as worried about weight or size. I will also say that I wish more gun manufacturers offered models with the magazine release paddles of my PPQ and P-30.
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Old March 28, 2020, 07:40 PM   #64
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No, I would not carry or use the PPQ for self defense. The trigger is simply too light for defensive purposes. No matter how safe, trained, and practiced you are, when the poop hits the fan, and the adrenaline flows, crazy things happen. So, why use a pistol with such a light trigger that you increase your probability of accidental discharge.
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Old March 28, 2020, 08:27 PM   #65
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The Walther factory spec for the PPQ trigger pull being approx. 25 N (5.6 lbs) is within the currently popular "industry standard" for a LE duty pistol's trigger pull in the US. I see the current trigger travel is listed by Walther as .4", too.

Now, private handgun owners obviously ought to be aware of their own level of training and familiarity with handling any firearm they may choose to lawfully carry. Especially if they anticipate it may have to be used under stress.

It certainly makes sense that if someone thinks a trigger pull is too light for them, they would look for something with which they are more comfortable and confident using, and which they feel would be more suitable for meeting any skill and safety practice limitations they believe may be applicable to themselves.

Last time I looked, the state of MA didn't approve of a PPQ model, so there's probably no heavier trigger option available that was approved for MA compliance? They do, however, list the PPS, P99 AS/QA/990 and the discontinued SW99 series on their roster.

In my older Walther armorer manual the trigger pull for both the P99DAO/990 and the P99 QA is listed at 8.54lbs, which might be preferable for someone wishing a heavier trigger pull (although the P99 AS is listed at 9lbs DA & 4.5lbs SA).

Lots of selections being offered by the major makers nowadays, if someone wants to shop around (and depending what's available in their state).
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