M240B

Machineguntony · February 28, 2015, 12:08 AM

Does anyone have leads on an M240B?

Theohazard · February 28, 2015, 04:27 AM

Tony, if you get your hands on one I might have to fly down there and demand to shoot it. I miss my M240G.

Also, I'm curious as to how you'll find a transferable 240B. The Bravo has a different gas regulator, a different buffer, a heat guard on the barrel, and a picatinny rail system. Are all those parts available for purchase so someone can make an old 240 into the newer Bravo version?

Mobuck · February 28, 2015, 07:29 AM

National Guard Armory?
That's where Bonnie and Clyde shopped for their gitty-up-go weapons.

Machineguntony · February 28, 2015, 08:36 AM

There are a number of m240Bs for sale. They're very rare. I was recently offered one for sale, but it was a NIB. I don't believe in having a safe queen. I buy to enjoy and shoot, not to invest.

As far as my understanding, all those parts are available for sale. The only thing i really need to buy is the registered side plate. The rest can be built. That's what I was told.

And Theo, you are always welcomed to shoot my guns. You provide a wealth of knowledge, and I always appreciate your input.

steveno · February 28, 2015, 11:14 AM

so what is the going price on one of these? just curious

Machineguntony · February 28, 2015, 11:44 AM

Let's not discuss price because it can be obscene to someone who is recently out of college and poor, like I was 13 years ago. Also, we will inevitably get the, 'it's just a $20 gun...because of some law...so stupid...I like my AR better...'

9x19 · February 28, 2015, 01:56 PM

MGs are not for the light of wallet, but then again, neither are high performance sports cars.

Of course, uncle sugar might let you play with one for free.... but there are always trade-offs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncxkFzaBqPo

Sharkbite · February 28, 2015, 01:59 PM

Damn...

You bored with that upgraded M60 ALREADY????

T. O'Heir · February 28, 2015, 03:12 PM

There was one on-line in the U.S. West, some place, about 10 plus years ago. I think it was 6 figures.

Machineguntony · February 28, 2015, 03:42 PM

I love my E6. It's so much fun. But it is time to adopt a new favorite son.

Theohazard · March 1, 2015, 12:52 AM

Thanks Tony!

Yeah, the 240 is a beast. It eats anything and keeps running. It's bigger and heavier than the M60, but it's built more solidly and has a beefy machined steel receiver.

The only real issue we had was sometimes the sear would wear down and we'd get a runaway gun because of it. But if you're going to have a malfunction with your machine gun, it's not so bad to have the kind where it won't stop firing, right?

Machineguntony · March 1, 2015, 01:08 AM

When I get this gun (at a reasonable price), I will definitely get the proper paperwork and take it to Knob Creek. All the guys who regularly post in the NFA section will get to shoot it.

So far, though, no luck. I've sent out a few emails, but I've heard nothing back.

Theo, can the M240 be shot in the standing position? It doesn't seem balanced in a way that it would be very amendable to shooting from the shoulder. Thomas Hoel, author of the Civilian M60 Guide, says that you should never shoot a civilian transferrable M60 off the integral bipod because it eventually causes loosening of the trunion and barrel socket. I would think that the same advice applies to the M240. The military shoots it from the bipod because it can just throw it away and get another gun for $5000. We civvies can't do that.

Theohazard · March 1, 2015, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Machineguntony

Theo, can the M240 be shot in the standing position? It doesn't seem balanced in a way that it would be very amendable to shooting from the shoulder.

No, not practically at least. The M240 ejects brass straight down, so putting your support hand below the receiver will block ejection. So that means you need to put your support hand forward more, and the gun is just too long and heavy to make that a practical shooting position.

Also, putting your support hand forward of the receiver puts it on or near the gas piston housing, which gets ridiculously hot pretty quickly. On the M240B, you have picatinny mounting bracket that could also act as a handguard, but it would probably still get hot pretty quickly (I have no personal experience with the M240B, so that's just an educated guess). And either way, you'd need to be really strong to properly support the weapon that way.

I knew a few guys who told me about firing the M240G from the shoulder, but I've never done it or seen it done. We were taught to shoot it from the tripod whenever possible, or the bipod if necessary. Shooting from the hip using a sling was something done only in CQB, or when ambushed and moving out of the kill zone. Shooting from the shoulder was considered to be horsing around, and horsing around on a live-fire range is frowned upon in the Marine Corps to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Machineguntony

Thomas Hoel, author of the Civilian M60 Guide, says that you should never shoot a civilian transferrable M60 off the integral bipod because it eventually causes loosening of the trunion and barrel socket. I would think that the same advice applies to the M240. The military shoots it from the bipod because it can just throw it away and get another gun for $5000. We civvies can't do that.

I don't know, all I can tell you is that the 240 is built like a tank and so is the bipod. And we shot ours from the tripod 95% of the time anyway.

The M240 is a bipod or tripod weapon only. If you want a shoulder-fired belt-fed machine gun an M249 SAW or M60E4 is a much better choice.

SPEMack618 · March 1, 2015, 08:49 AM

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The only real issue we had was sometimes the sear would wear down and we'd get a runaway gun because of it. But if you're going to have a malfunction with your machine gun, it's not so bad to have the kind where it won't stop firing, right?

That happened on a range I was helping run in ROTC.

One of the my nursing major girls had the gun runaway on her. And the Cadet who was playing A-Gunner twisted the belt in his hands to stop it.

Later that night I asked him who had taught him that trick and he said he had read it "Red Dawn" by Larry Bond.

I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry.

Machineguntony · March 1, 2015, 11:29 PM

I found a reputable lead. Now to examine the gun and discuss price.

I have decided that this thread is going to document my journey, from the initial search to form 4 approval. I hope to one day have an end pic, with me at the range with my gun.

Pics will come with this thread.

Theohazard · March 1, 2015, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SPEMack618

Later that night I asked him who had taught him that trick and he said he had read it "Red Dawn" by Larry Bond.

I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry.

Ha, I love it.

Yeah, twisting the belt either so it jams up or breaks is pretty much the only way to stop it. But we usually just kept it on target and let it run out of ammo.

One time I had a runaway after linking a few thousand rounds together just for the heck of it. That was the first time I tried twisting the belt instead of just letting it run out.

And pulling on the belt doesn't work; you can stand on it and it will still feed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machineguntony

I have decided that this thread is going to document my journey, from the initial search to form 4 approval. I hope to one day have an end pic, with me at the range with my gun.

Pics will come with this thread.

Sweet! Keep us posted for sure!

Willie Lowman · March 2, 2015, 09:26 AM

You will have a little better luck looking for a transferable MAG-58. The 240 is pretty much an upgraded MAG.

I have heard rumors of transferable MAG sideplates but I have never seen one myself. I have not seen a transferable MAG-58 in six or seven years but I know they exist!

Once you find that you can likely have it upgraded to 240 specs.

SPEMack618 · March 2, 2015, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machineguntony

I have decided that this thread is going to document my journey, from the initial search to form 4 approval. I hope to one day have an end pic, with me at the range with my gun.

Cool!

Tony, I live my non work related belt fed shooting dreams vicariously through your posts.

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Originally Posted by Theohazard

Ha, I love it.
Yeah, twisting the belt either so it jams up or breaks is pretty much the only way to stop it. But we usually just kept it on target and let it run out of ammo.

Yeah, we did that in AIT once or twice, but if I recall correctly, on that specific day, we were shooting off the bi-pod and the gun was getting the best of the girl and might have become a safety violation.

Machineguntony · March 2, 2015, 04:46 PM

The lead does not seem to be real.

0-2 so far. One fake lead, and one lead asking for more than market price.

Machineguntony · March 3, 2015, 01:51 AM

Parties have agreed to terms for a legitimate gun. I won't disclose specifics, not yet.

Now to run the serial number and go examine the gun.

Machineguntony · March 3, 2015, 04:04 PM

We ran the serial number through ATF, and there was no such gun.

Lesson here is to be very careful, no matter how good your "source" on these guns.

I am going to stop posting until I actually have my form 3 approved, and the gun is at my dealer. I have a suspicion that there will be many more fake leads coming. I will save the virtual ink.

Machineguntony · May 18, 2015, 09:48 PM

Update to this thread.

I have reached a deal for an M240B.

All verification and checks have been made. Now pending a form 3.

Sharkbite · May 18, 2015, 10:01 PM

Dude...That is frickin awesome.

I got out of the Marine Corps before the 240 come into play. All my time was with an old '60. When i got into govt contract work, i had to qual on a 240....what a difference. The 240 is bigger, but what a workhorse.

You are going to LOVE it

Theohazard · May 19, 2015, 11:28 AM

Congrats Tony!

9x19 · May 19, 2015, 11:36 AM

Sweet!

You probably have a couple months wait, so start linking ammo...

February 28, 2015, 12:08 AM	#1
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	M240B Does anyone have leads on an M240B? __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x Last edited by Machineguntony; February 28, 2015 at 12:13 AM.

February 28, 2015, 04:27 AM	#2
Theohazard Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2012 Location: Western PA Posts: 3,829	Tony, if you get your hands on one I might have to fly down there and demand to shoot it. I miss my M240G. Also, I'm curious as to how you'll find a transferable 240B. The Bravo has a different gas regulator, a different buffer, a heat guard on the barrel, and a picatinny rail system. Are all those parts available for purchase so someone can make an old 240 into the newer Bravo version? __________________ 0331: "Accuracy by volume."

February 28, 2015, 08:36 AM	#4
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	There are a number of m240Bs for sale. They're very rare. I was recently offered one for sale, but it was a NIB. I don't believe in having a safe queen. I buy to enjoy and shoot, not to invest. As far as my understanding, all those parts are available for sale. The only thing i really need to buy is the registered side plate. The rest can be built. That's what I was told. And Theo, you are always welcomed to shoot my guns. You provide a wealth of knowledge, and I always appreciate your input. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

February 28, 2015, 11:44 AM	#6
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	Let's not discuss price because it can be obscene to someone who is recently out of college and poor, like I was 13 years ago. Also, we will inevitably get the, 'it's just a $20 gun...because of some law...so stupid...I like my AR better...' __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

February 28, 2015, 01:56 PM	#7
9x19 Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 1998 Location: Sherman, TX USA Posts: 3,750	MGs are not for the light of wallet, but then again, neither are high performance sports cars. Of course, uncle sugar might let you play with one for free.... but there are always trade-offs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncxkFzaBqPo __________________ Make mine lean, mean, and 9x19!

February 28, 2015, 07:29 AM	#3
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	National Guard Armory? That's where Bonnie and Clyde shopped for their gitty-up-go weapons.

February 28, 2015, 11:14 AM	#5
steveno Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 1,407	so what is the going price on one of these? just curious

February 28, 2015, 01:59 PM	#8
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	Damn... You bored with that upgraded M60 ALREADY????

February 28, 2015, 03:12 PM	#9
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	There was one on-line in the U.S. West, some place, about 10 plus years ago. I think it was 6 figures. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

February 28, 2015, 03:42 PM	#10
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	I love my E6. It's so much fun. But it is time to adopt a new favorite son. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x Last edited by Machineguntony; February 28, 2015 at 11:00 PM.

March 1, 2015, 12:52 AM	#11
Theohazard Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2012 Location: Western PA Posts: 3,829	Thanks Tony! Yeah, the 240 is a beast. It eats anything and keeps running. It's bigger and heavier than the M60, but it's built more solidly and has a beefy machined steel receiver. The only real issue we had was sometimes the sear would wear down and we'd get a runaway gun because of it. But if you're going to have a malfunction with your machine gun, it's not so bad to have the kind where it won't stop firing, right? __________________ 0331: "Accuracy by volume."

March 1, 2015, 01:08 AM	#12
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	When I get this gun (at a reasonable price), I will definitely get the proper paperwork and take it to Knob Creek. All the guys who regularly post in the NFA section will get to shoot it. So far, though, no luck. I've sent out a few emails, but I've heard nothing back. Theo, can the M240 be shot in the standing position? It doesn't seem balanced in a way that it would be very amendable to shooting from the shoulder. Thomas Hoel, author of the Civilian M60 Guide, says that you should never shoot a civilian transferrable M60 off the integral bipod because it eventually causes loosening of the trunion and barrel socket. I would think that the same advice applies to the M240. The military shoots it from the bipod because it can just throw it away and get another gun for $5000. We civvies can't do that. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

March 1, 2015, 11:29 PM	#15
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	I found a reputable lead. Now to examine the gun and discuss price. I have decided that this thread is going to document my journey, from the initial search to form 4 approval. I hope to one day have an end pic, with me at the range with my gun. Pics will come with this thread. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

March 2, 2015, 09:26 AM	#17
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	You will have a little better luck looking for a transferable MAG-58. The 240 is pretty much an upgraded MAG. I have heard rumors of transferable MAG sideplates but I have never seen one myself. I have not seen a transferable MAG-58 in six or seven years but I know they exist! Once you find that you can likely have it upgraded to 240 specs. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

March 2, 2015, 04:46 PM	#19
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	The lead does not seem to be real. 0-2 so far. One fake lead, and one lead asking for more than market price. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

March 3, 2015, 01:51 AM	#20
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	Parties have agreed to terms for a legitimate gun. I won't disclose specifics, not yet. Now to run the serial number and go examine the gun. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

March 3, 2015, 04:04 PM	#21
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	We ran the serial number through ATF, and there was no such gun. Lesson here is to be very careful, no matter how good your "source" on these guns. I am going to stop posting until I actually have my form 3 approved, and the gun is at my dealer. I have a suspicion that there will be many more fake leads coming. I will save the virtual ink. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

May 18, 2015, 09:48 PM	#22
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	Update to this thread. I have reached a deal for an M240B. All verification and checks have been made. Now pending a form 3. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x Last edited by Machineguntony; May 19, 2015 at 08:15 AM.

May 18, 2015, 10:01 PM	#23
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	Dude...That is frickin awesome. I got out of the Marine Corps before the 240 come into play. All my time was with an old '60. When i got into govt contract work, i had to qual on a 240....what a difference. The 240 is bigger, but what a workhorse. You are going to LOVE it

May 19, 2015, 11:28 AM	#24
Theohazard Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2012 Location: Western PA Posts: 3,829	Congrats Tony! __________________ 0331: "Accuracy by volume."

May 19, 2015, 11:36 AM	#25
9x19 Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 1998 Location: Sherman, TX USA Posts: 3,750	Sweet! You probably have a couple months wait, so start linking ammo... __________________ Make mine lean, mean, and 9x19!