Some International takes

Glenn E. Meyer · July 28, 2018, 06:57 PM

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...debate/566102/

Argument for a total handgun ban after a recent rampage in Canada

Iceland

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/i...s-2007-n872726

Lots of guns, but no support for the self-defense argument, semis, etc. Strong laws and checks

Interesting comparisons

cslinger · July 28, 2018, 07:15 PM

I love the cognitive disconnect in the second article.
“Crime of any kind is rare here”

Ummmmm that has nothing to do with your gun laws sparky. You could be handing out beltfeds as fair prizes and my guess is your needle wouldn’t move one way or the other.

Conversely you could magically make EVERY weapon disappear from Memphis there would still be huge amounts of bashed in skull rock crime. It has to do with the culture / education / opportunities / morals etc.

How about we take St. Louis and move it to Iceland. Me thinks there would still be a wee bit of shenanigans once the animals adapted to the cold.

Not a lot of crime in Vermont either. Which is about the same size etc.

These “countries” making statements have no idea how HUGE and diverse the US is. I could point you to lots of US locations the size of Iceland with similar crime levels.

FITASC · July 28, 2018, 07:19 PM

Canada, like the US, and most of Europe, is a heterogeneous society, trying to fit too many cultures into one place. Iceland, on the other hand, is basically homogeneous. All one needs to do is to look at the US, especially a century ago, where folks from a particular country emigrated and stayed together. Too many different cultures, whether gun, religious, economic, racial, or whatever, when placed together, WILL clash contrary to the Progressives' wish to hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

Therefore a country like Iceland, small population basically all the same, will get along a lot better than large populations with ideas/beliefs that are diametrically opposed.

blackwidowp61 · July 28, 2018, 09:56 PM

I think it would be kind of fun to transplant Chicago over to Iceland. Oh what fun that would be!

I don't know if the Icelanders could get them to hold hands, much less sing Kumbaya. But then again, what a boost in the tax base!

TXAZ · July 28, 2018, 10:06 PM

Being very aware of the specifics of an interview done by theatlantic in 2016 (and recorded by the person being interviewed), then compared with the subsequent article that was written, it’s very fair to say theatlantic knowingly published an article that was patently fraudulent.
Why would I believe anything about their Canadian article?

DaleA · July 29, 2018, 12:04 PM

TXAZ do you remember any details of that Atlantic piece? I'd be very interested in it.

Note: I have no trouble believing what you said, in fact I called them out here on a hit piece they did about the horrific wounds an assault weapon causes and why assault weapons need to be banned. (As though those rounds fired from a bolt or lever action would be any less horrific.)

T. O'Heir · July 29, 2018, 12:58 PM

The assorted idiot politicians in Toronto and other cities have tried this before. The country as a whole is not debating any such idiocy.
Wendy Cukier(AKA Kookie Wendy) is an illegal lobbyist who has been at the public trough for over 30 years. She represents nobody. I've asked her personally how many members her club has and she cannot or will not answer.
Oh and The Atlantic is American. Owned and operated by the Emerson Collective.

July 28, 2018, 06:57 PM	#1
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Some International takes https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...debate/566102/ Argument for a total handgun ban after a recent rampage in Canada Iceland https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/i...s-2007-n872726 Lots of guns, but no support for the self-defense argument, semis, etc. Strong laws and checks Interesting comparisons __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

July 28, 2018, 07:15 PM	#2
cslinger Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,045	I love the cognitive disconnect in the second article. “Crime of any kind is rare here” Ummmmm that has nothing to do with your gun laws sparky. You could be handing out beltfeds as fair prizes and my guess is your needle wouldn’t move one way or the other. Conversely you could magically make EVERY weapon disappear from Memphis there would still be huge amounts of bashed in skull rock crime. It has to do with the culture / education / opportunities / morals etc. How about we take St. Louis and move it to Iceland. Me thinks there would still be a wee bit of shenanigans once the animals adapted to the cold. Not a lot of crime in Vermont either. Which is about the same size etc. These “countries” making statements have no idea how HUGE and diverse the US is. I could point you to lots of US locations the size of Iceland with similar crime levels. __________________ "Is there anyway I can write my local gun store off on my taxes as dependents?"

July 28, 2018, 07:19 PM	#3
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Canada, like the US, and most of Europe, is a heterogeneous society, trying to fit too many cultures into one place. Iceland, on the other hand, is basically homogeneous. All one needs to do is to look at the US, especially a century ago, where folks from a particular country emigrated and stayed together. Too many different cultures, whether gun, religious, economic, racial, or whatever, when placed together, WILL clash contrary to the Progressives' wish to hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Therefore a country like Iceland, small population basically all the same, will get along a lot better than large populations with ideas/beliefs that are diametrically opposed. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

July 28, 2018, 09:56 PM	#4
blackwidowp61 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2017 Location: laiceps erehwon Posts: 165	I think it would be kind of fun to transplant Chicago over to Iceland. Oh what fun that would be! I don't know if the Icelanders could get them to hold hands, much less sing Kumbaya. But then again, what a boost in the tax base! __________________ If God is watching us, the least we can do is be entertaining. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it! If you need a real belly laugh, try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFCrJleggrI

July 28, 2018, 10:06 PM	#5
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Being very aware of the specifics of an interview done by theatlantic in 2016 (and recorded by the person being interviewed), then compared with the subsequent article that was written, it’s very fair to say theatlantic knowingly published an article that was patently fraudulent. Why would I believe anything about their Canadian article? __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes Last edited by TXAZ; July 28, 2018 at 10:48 PM.

July 29, 2018, 12:04 PM	#6
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 5,313	TXAZ do you remember any details of that Atlantic piece? I'd be very interested in it. Note: I have no trouble believing what you said, in fact I called them out here on a hit piece they did about the horrific wounds an assault weapon causes and why assault weapons need to be banned. (As though those rounds fired from a bolt or lever action would be any less horrific.)

July 29, 2018, 12:58 PM	#7
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	The assorted idiot politicians in Toronto and other cities have tried this before. The country as a whole is not debating any such idiocy. Wendy Cukier(AKA Kookie Wendy) is an illegal lobbyist who has been at the public trough for over 30 years. She represents nobody. I've asked her personally how many members her club has and she cannot or will not answer. Oh and The Atlantic is American. Owned and operated by the Emerson Collective. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!