Do you judge people by the shotgun they carry?? - Page 2

FrosSsT · August 10, 2011, 04:12 PM

everyone is guilty of judging someone or something at least once in their life, when it comes to shotguns yes i do judge, if you have a pardner protector im going to think you dont know much guns, if you have a benelli super nova im going to think otherwise

PawPaw · August 10, 2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Antique Shooter

Yes, I judge people by the shotguns they carry.

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I absolutely hate seeing those multi thousand dollar giant ribbed

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I absolutely hate seeing Junk guns, at least for upland/small game

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Some of the guns I hate seeing while walking down a pheasant field are,

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Something else that I hate seeing when hunting upland

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I hate seeing that when hunting anything.

Lots of hate here. I tend to judge a person by the content of their character, rather than the gun they're carrying or the clothing they wear in the field.

hogdogs · August 10, 2011, 04:17 PM

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That is what an upland bird hunter should look like.

That is a regionally/socially subjective statement...

Had you been around the thumb of michigan in about 1980, you would have seen what I, at the time, thought an upland bird hunter should look like...

About an eleven year old boy in either a t-shirt of any color or, if cooler than that, a blue or red flannel shirt.

But This uplander thought anyone shooting anything other than a blot action .410 or 30-35# Fred Bear long bow with "kid glove" leather wrapped grip was a poor shot trying to make up for it with a gun that loaded it's own next shot... And I didn't use my field points on pheasant... I used my arrows with .5 inch rubber "dum-dum" tips... Knock them down and ring their ring neck!

Brent

hardworker · August 10, 2011, 04:36 PM

I don't even really care what guns those I hunt with carry. Off the top of my head, I can only name a few of their guns. I can tell you though how many deer they let get by them. Seems like the more important piece of information to me.

zippy13 · August 10, 2011, 04:57 PM

Of course I judge people by their appearance. It's part of our tribal survival instinct. Political correctness aside, mankind has survived because of our ability to quickly identify a strange and determine if he is one of us or one of them.

I remember an occasion when we were taking a break between rounds at the local Trap and Skeet club. My buddy looked over my shoulder and said, "Let's move, NOW!" and we did. He'd noticed a goofy-looking father and son team had just taken a soft gun case out to their car and set it on a near-by bench pointed directly at us. The son then proceeded to take a bargain basement pump gun out of the case, wave it around and then pump out 5 shells. The rangemaster was immediately all over them. I was glad that my buddy had immediately recognized these guys as being half a bubble off of level.

chewie146 · August 10, 2011, 04:57 PM

I'm sure I've been judged, and sometimes it turns out in my favor. I remember a day plinking with my friend's .50 cal. (Yes, it can be done.) We had some old empty camp propane bottles, some plastic bottles, etc. We were at a huge open pit mine, so there was no fire danger from the propane. Anyway, he and his friend shot at that thing with the big .50 4 or 5 times, but couldn't seem to get it. I asked if I could try with my NEF .45-70. At about 175 yards, with open sights, it was bowled over with a 350 grain bullet. A friend of mine said, simply, "Don't [mess] with Ben and his $175 rifle." It's fun to shoot cheap guns well and prove that it's not the gun, but the shooter. It's the same reaction I got when I used to beat people at IDPA with a Glock 26, and they couldn't seem to get their Kimbers and Wilsons to shoot fast enough for them.

I absolutely hate it when people seem to think a certain legal arm shouldn't be used for hunting, based on vintage, composition, price, or finish.

BigJimP · August 10, 2011, 05:20 PM

Come on guys .... / this jusgement - based on equipment - seems to go both ways....

the question is ...whether we judge or not ...yes, we do / but most of us try not to.../ and judge people by the way they act ...

but I see a lot more guys with tactical shotguns ---that can't hit 15 out of 25clay targets ...than I do guys with $ 5,000 shotguns, that can't shoot them ....( and a lot more guys with Glocks - that can't triple tap an 18" circle consistently at 30 feet out of a holster / than I do guys with guns from Wilson Combat that can't shoot ...) ...

spending money on a gun is relative .. it depends on how much money you have and what else is going on in your life ! If I want to spend $ 100 or
$ 50K on a birthday present for my wife ...it doesn't make me a bad guy - or a good guy ... / anymore than whether I choose to take a $ 5,000 O/U out in the field to shoot Quail .../ and while my $5,000 O/U may be a way better gun ( to me ) what the heck should it matter to anyone else ....what I choose to hunt with ...or shoot clay targets with ...

Stereotypes .....its about how we deal with them...! / and its a valid question ------( not everyone over 6'4" and 275 lbs is a stupid ex-football player ) ...some of us are / but big guys have feelings too

....and we own and shoot nice shotguns ...and we buy our wives nice birthday presents ...) .....because we can / and we want to ...!!

PJR · August 10, 2011, 05:41 PM

I keep reading on the Internet about all these guys with cheap guns who are regularly kicking the butts of guys with high dollar guns. Yet I rarely see it happen in real life.

There is no virtue in having a cheap gun. There is no virtue in having an expensive gun. Targets whether clay or feathered are very disrespectful. They have no idea how much your gun cost only whether the pellets hit the mark. Anything else doesn't matter.

Dave McC · August 10, 2011, 05:43 PM

I learned a LONG time ago not to bet against the guy in overalls with a Model 12 in 20 gauge with no blue nor bead.....

I've outshot guys with high dollar shotguns using varied 870s,and also had them eat my lunch. I've run across jerks with K-80s and with JC Higgins pumps.

As long as other shooters are SAFE and ETHICAL and not jerks, I care not a whit what they are using.

zincwarrior · August 10, 2011, 06:23 PM

Dave wins the thread methinks.

Antique Shooter · August 10, 2011, 09:07 PM

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if cooler than that, a blue or red flannel shirt

Ahh yes, a real old fashioned bird hunter. Good for you!!!!!
I wear either a red check or green check flannel shirt underneath my jacket.

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I used my arrows with .5 inch rubber "dum-dum" tips

dum-dum tips or blunts work great on pheasants, they make them now with little points on the end!!

Antique Shooter

hogdogs · August 10, 2011, 09:57 PM

What forced me to improve my accuracy with the bow was my disdain for huntin' lost arrows in the "headlands", fence rows and cut corn fields...

Brent

markj · August 11, 2011, 04:32 PM

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the gun I'll be carrying will have 2 barrels, and the stock will be made of real wood, imagine that!

Lol I got a cousin just like you. We hunt a lot tho, he carries very old doubles and is very good with them. One time in the rain he took a pump, couldnt hit a barn door with it.

We came out of a field, my dog was on point next to the truck in the ditch, he goes to the dog a pheas flushes, he shoots it, goes to step down into the ditch and fell flat on his face gun under him. Didnt hurt it, we laff about it to this day.

I prefer a 1100 or my 11 87 light contour with real wood stock

imagine that

Doubles just are not as popular in the mid west, I hardly ever see one.

30-30remchester · August 11, 2011, 05:45 PM

Judge? no but I do study material choices people make. From cars, tires, knives, guns, ect. A person can gleen some insight about peoples personalities and finances and life styles by their purchases. When it comes to guns, many people hold them in high reguard, yet so many that do hold them in such reguard think only of accuracy, and allowing quality to be wanting. I myself would easily surfice quite a bit of accuracy in exchange for quality hand built guns.

rottieman33 · August 11, 2011, 06:24 PM

I know of 3 people on this post that have judged me and and have given me **** because I shoot skeet with a Saiga 12 and can and have hit 23 out of 25 clays in 1 game of skeet. And when I get the high scores the people I shoot with give me praise for doing so well with that gun.

Rugerismisticness · August 11, 2011, 07:33 PM

Rottie, shooting clays with a Saiga has been on my bucket list. I actually had thoughts about building a stock with wieght inserts for one and building a rib, man that would be a fun clays gun.

For now, I'm enjoying the Benelli hotrod side of missing clays.

pabuckslayer08 · August 11, 2011, 08:00 PM

How can you, some people just love to go and enjoy themselves and cant make themselves appear any different. Everyone has there own way and as long as they are in the field or shooting, well I cant complain

wncchester · August 11, 2011, 08:42 PM

"Do you judge people by the shotgun they carry?? "

Sure. If the people around me don't have a Parker, Win 21, H&H double or at least a Rem 3200 I just have to find another place to shoot, doesn't everyone? I mean a gentleman has his dignity to consider, what?

oneounceload · August 11, 2011, 08:44 PM

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Sure. If the people around me don't have a Parker, Win 21, H&H double or at least a Rem 3200 I just have to find another place to shoot, doesn't everyone? I mean a gentleman has his dignity to consider, what?

Compared to others, I would agree.................

oneounceload · August 11, 2011, 08:49 PM

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I know of 3 people on this post that have judged me and and have given me **** because I shoot skeet with a Saiga 12 and can and have hit 23 out of 25 clays in 1 game of skeet. And when I get the high scores the people I shoot with give me praise for doing so well with that gun.

Can say no one has come to our club with one - especially with those magazines - not allowed

If you are shooting that good, perhaps you should join the NSSA and shoot targets for real score against the rest of the good shooters - those are good scores, and if you can replicate them, you'd be in the winner circle every time

So why aren't you shooting registered targets?

Then you can move over to sporting clays and whup everyone's butt with those God-almighty overpriced Kreighoffs that only shoot two shells............

Come on down to Florida and we'll hook up and shoot some real fun targets

Dave McC · August 11, 2011, 10:14 PM

I took the Saiga 12 I had been lent to test to a meeting of The Geezer Squad at PGC. The guys put down a Model 12 and a 21 as well as a Parker to try the thing out. None of us shot as well as with our standbys, but not badly either.

Rottie, show up to shoot where I do, you'll be welcome....

sheepman · August 12, 2011, 09:40 AM

No you can't buy ability. Where I shoot you are as likely to see a Mossberg 500 as a BT99 or a hi dollar double. A friend has a number of hi priced guns but is more likely to be shooting an old Remington 11 or a side by side. I have known several people that were well off that looked like they were down to their last dollar and several that put on a show that were broke.

The old saying is don't judge a book by it's cover.

jrothWA · August 12, 2011, 09:53 AM

they score (or miss). I judge by character not what they carry.

NightSleeper · August 12, 2011, 10:30 AM

Blah, the snobbery!!

markj · August 12, 2011, 03:06 PM

But what about the shells they use? Can I judge them for not using the red hulls?

Changfed bad spelling doh

August 10, 2011, 04:57 PM	#31
chewie146 Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2010 Location: New Mexico Posts: 853	I'm sure I've been judged, and sometimes it turns out in my favor. I remember a day plinking with my friend's .50 cal. (Yes, it can be done.) We had some old empty camp propane bottles, some plastic bottles, etc. We were at a huge open pit mine, so there was no fire danger from the propane. Anyway, he and his friend shot at that thing with the big .50 4 or 5 times, but couldn't seem to get it. I asked if I could try with my NEF .45-70. At about 175 yards, with open sights, it was bowled over with a 350 grain bullet. A friend of mine said, simply, "Don't [mess] with Ben and his $175 rifle." It's fun to shoot cheap guns well and prove that it's not the gun, but the shooter. It's the same reaction I got when I used to beat people at IDPA with a Glock 26, and they couldn't seem to get their Kimbers and Wilsons to shoot fast enough for them. I absolutely hate it when people seem to think a certain legal arm shouldn't be used for hunting, based on vintage, composition, price, or finish. Last edited by chewie146; August 10, 2011 at 04:58 PM. Reason: Added content.

August 11, 2011, 06:24 PM	#40
rottieman33 Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2009 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 223	I know of 3 people on this post that have judged me and and have given me **** because I shoot skeet with a Saiga 12 and can and have hit 23 out of 25 clays in 1 game of skeet. And when I get the high scores the people I shoot with give me praise for doing so well with that gun. Last edited by rottieman33; August 11, 2011 at 08:17 PM.

August 12, 2011, 09:40 AM	#47
sheepman Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 2007 Location: Moses Lake WA Posts: 395	No you can't buy ability. Where I shoot you are as likely to see a Mossberg 500 as a BT99 or a hi dollar double. A friend has a number of hi priced guns but is more likely to be shooting an old Remington 11 or a side by side. I have known several people that were well off that looked like they were down to their last dollar and several that put on a show that were broke. The old saying is don't judge a book by it's cover. __________________ The best gun is the one you have when you really need one

August 12, 2011, 09:53 AM	#48
jrothWA Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2006 Posts: 2,519	I judge by how the act to others and how... they score (or miss). I judge by character not what they carry.

August 12, 2011, 10:30 AM	#49
NightSleeper Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 449	Blah, the snobbery!! __________________ *I have rounds yet to fire before I sleep ...*

August 10, 2011, 04:12 PM	#26
FrosSsT Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 595	everyone is guilty of judging someone or something at least once in their life, when it comes to shotguns yes i do judge, if you have a pardner protector im going to think you dont know much guns, if you have a benelli super nova im going to think otherwise

August 10, 2011, 04:36 PM	#29
hardworker Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 2010 Posts: 820	I don't even really care what guns those I hunt with carry. Off the top of my head, I can only name a few of their guns. I can tell you though how many deer they let get by them. Seems like the more important piece of information to me.

August 10, 2011, 04:57 PM	#30
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Of course I judge people by their appearance. It's part of our tribal survival instinct. Political correctness aside, mankind has survived because of our ability to quickly identify a strange and determine if he is one of us or one of them. I remember an occasion when we were taking a break between rounds at the local Trap and Skeet club. My buddy looked over my shoulder and said, "Let's move, NOW!" and we did. He'd noticed a goofy-looking father and son team had just taken a soft gun case out to their car and set it on a near-by bench pointed directly at us. The son then proceeded to take a bargain basement pump gun out of the case, wave it around and then pump out 5 shells. The rangemaster was immediately all over them. I was glad that my buddy had immediately recognized these guys as being half a bubble off of level.

August 10, 2011, 05:20 PM	#32
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Come on guys .... / this jusgement - based on equipment - seems to go both ways.... the question is ...whether we judge or not ...yes, we do / but most of us try not to.../ and judge people by the way they act ... but I see a lot more guys with tactical shotguns ---that can't hit 15 out of 25clay targets ...than I do guys with $ 5,000 shotguns, that can't shoot them ....( and a lot more guys with Glocks - that can't triple tap an 18" circle consistently at 30 feet out of a holster / than I do guys with guns from Wilson Combat that can't shoot ...) ... spending money on a gun is relative .. it depends on how much money you have and what else is going on in your life ! If I want to spend $ 100 or $ 50K on a birthday present for my wife ...it doesn't make me a bad guy - or a good guy ... / anymore than whether I choose to take a $ 5,000 O/U out in the field to shoot Quail .../ and while my $5,000 O/U may be a way better gun ( to me ) what the heck should it matter to anyone else ....what I choose to hunt with ...or shoot clay targets with ... Stereotypes .....its about how we deal with them...! / and its a valid question ------( not everyone over 6'4" and 275 lbs is a stupid ex-football player ) ...some of us are / but big guys have feelings too ....and we own and shoot nice shotguns ...and we buy our wives nice birthday presents ...) .....because we can / and we want to ...!!

August 10, 2011, 05:41 PM	#33
PJR Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2000 Posts: 1,127	I keep reading on the Internet about all these guys with cheap guns who are regularly kicking the butts of guys with high dollar guns. Yet I rarely see it happen in real life. There is no virtue in having a cheap gun. There is no virtue in having an expensive gun. Targets whether clay or feathered are very disrespectful. They have no idea how much your gun cost only whether the pellets hit the mark. Anything else doesn't matter.

August 10, 2011, 05:43 PM	#34
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	I learned a LONG time ago not to bet against the guy in overalls with a Model 12 in 20 gauge with no blue nor bead..... I've outshot guys with high dollar shotguns using varied 870s,and also had them eat my lunch. I've run across jerks with K-80s and with JC Higgins pumps. As long as other shooters are SAFE and ETHICAL and not jerks, I care not a whit what they are using.

August 10, 2011, 06:23 PM	#35
zincwarrior Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2011 Location: Texas, land of Tex-Mex Posts: 2,259	Dave wins the thread methinks.

August 10, 2011, 09:57 PM	#37
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	What forced me to improve my accuracy with the bow was my disdain for huntin' lost arrows in the "headlands", fence rows and cut corn fields... Brent

August 11, 2011, 05:45 PM	#39
30-30remchester Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2009 Location: mountains of colorado Posts: 977	Judge? no but I do study material choices people make. From cars, tires, knives, guns, ect. A person can gleen some insight about peoples personalities and finances and life styles by their purchases. When it comes to guns, many people hold them in high reguard, yet so many that do hold them in such reguard think only of accuracy, and allowing quality to be wanting. I myself would easily surfice quite a bit of accuracy in exchange for quality hand built guns.

August 11, 2011, 07:33 PM	#41
Rugerismisticness Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2010 Posts: 909	Rottie, shooting clays with a Saiga has been on my bucket list. I actually had thoughts about building a stock with wieght inserts for one and building a rib, man that would be a fun clays gun. For now, I'm enjoying the Benelli hotrod side of missing clays.

August 11, 2011, 08:00 PM	#42
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	How can you, some people just love to go and enjoy themselves and cant make themselves appear any different. Everyone has there own way and as long as they are in the field or shooting, well I cant complain

August 11, 2011, 08:42 PM	#43
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	"Do you judge people by the shotgun they carry?? " Sure. If the people around me don't have a Parker, Win 21, H&H double or at least a Rem 3200 I just have to find another place to shoot, doesn't everyone? I mean a gentleman has his dignity to consider, what?

August 11, 2011, 10:14 PM	#46
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	I took the Saiga 12 I had been lent to test to a meeting of The Geezer Squad at PGC. The guys put down a Model 12 and a 21 as well as a Parker to try the thing out. None of us shot as well as with our standbys, but not badly either. Rottie, show up to shoot where I do, you'll be welcome....

August 12, 2011, 03:06 PM	#50
markj Senior Member Join Date: October 27, 2005 Location: Crescent Iowa Posts: 2,971	But what about the shells they use? Can I judge them for not using the red hulls? Changfed bad spelling doh Last edited by markj; August 15, 2011 at 03:52 PM.