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Old January 9, 2017, 02:27 AM   #1
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Any point to C&R?

My C&R licence expired years ago. Right about when the WW2 toys were drying up. Will there ever be another (non Mosin) group of rifles imported? Is it worth getting it again?

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Old January 9, 2017, 07:50 AM   #2
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That's up to you. I have had a C&R for over 6 years now and have purchased 1 rifle on it. Finances changed so collecting went to the far back burner. I basically keep it now for the parts discounts and for just in case something comes along
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Old January 9, 2017, 10:18 AM   #3
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mooreshawnm,
I see that you are in WA. There is something more important to consider about getting a C&R in this state than if there will ever be more surplus available.

Since the passing of I-594 last year, C&R transfers are now not exempt from going through an FFL for the buy and sale, background check, and ATF form 4473.

My opinion is that it is a complete waste of time and money as you will gain ZERO benefit from it.
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Old January 22, 2017, 12:46 AM   #4
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As far as federal law is concerned, if a gun is 50 years old, or more, it's C&R, so anything made prior to today's date in 1967, or earlier, or can be shipped to a Type 3 C&R FFL holder. But apparently Washington state law, such as mentioned above, trumps federal law. I've never read it, but a Type 3 FFL holder has to log acquisitions and dispositions in a bound book just as any other FFL holder, so it seems the Type 3 FFL could just make the WA required background check call, unless WA law or BATFE says otherwise.
I purchase several C&R guns every year, so it's well worth the $30 every three years for me, rather than paying an additional $25 per transfer to my friendly neighborhood Type 1 FFL holder.

Early Remington M700's, Winchester M70's, Weatherby's, and a host of handguns are C&R eligible under the 50+ year regulation. Fifty years wasn't that long ago...
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Old January 22, 2017, 10:56 PM   #5
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The dealer / importer selection has been kind of dried up but there's always auctions. The CMP recognizes the license as one of their requirements to buy from them.

It kind of depends on what you're buying. The hoops you have to jump through aren't too erroneous but I'm not sure I'll renew mine when it expires.
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Old January 29, 2017, 10:15 PM   #6
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More C&R's than ever before

We are looking back to pre 1964,,,,does that date ring a bell... If it is in original condition and not modified it is a C& R.

Seems to me, far better that some of the old dusty military from wherever, now there are American made guns that were great then and are great now. I have found online dealers that understand C&R and I have picked up some incredible buys.
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Old January 30, 2017, 07:39 AM   #7
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I have come across dealers that don't care about the age of the firearm. A S&W made in the 50's is still being sold as a modern day firearm and the FFL does not have to sell it as a C&R if he chooses not to. Most FFL's will sell it as a modern firearm because of the fear the ATF imposes. Dealers are not willing to risk their license for the sake of selling a 60 year old revolver as a C&R that is NOT on the ATF's list
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Old January 31, 2017, 07:57 PM   #8
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Trouble is state laws have made C&R license useless on the whole West Coast. I let mine expire, hated to do so but it was useless where I live. Would like to move but due to age, disabilities & finances makes that only a dream unless I win the lottery. Wish that there was some way that trump could nullify these illegal laws.
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Old February 16, 2017, 12:00 PM   #9
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Just where I live (Louisiana), I don't think so. I considered it awhile when I was getting surplus guns, and decided against it.
  • my state doesn't restrict anything that a C&R license would then allow
  • shipping to a local FFL seems to be a lot cheaper, and I found a FFL that will do a pistol transfer for $10
  • not having the license, I'm not required to keep a log book and won't be called to review it.
If I were in a state that limited what I could own but a C&R would give me more options, then I would consider it. Similarly, if the shipping would balance out, it might be more worth it... but I've seen guns that ship for $20, but $40+ as a C&R. With my FFL guy, I come out ahead by doing it the regular way, and I don't have to stay on top of any books.
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Old February 16, 2017, 12:55 PM   #10
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Texas chose to retain their contiguous state restriction, so C&R is not worthless here. My friends' widows have about driven me into the Poor House the last few years. My wife hopes there's somebody left to buy my guns when it's my time.
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Old February 17, 2017, 11:16 AM   #11
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My wife hopes there's somebody left to buy my guns when it's my time.
She'll have no problem if she sells them for what you told her you paid for them.
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