.410 #4 Buckshot?

ShellShock · August 4, 2010, 05:14 AM

Can someone describe this stuff for me? How many pellets? Weight of shot? That's all. Thanks.

zippy13 · August 4, 2010, 11:00 AM

Buck shot loads for the 3" .410-bore are typically 5 pellets of 000 or 00. It drops to 3 pellets with 2-1/2" .410 shells.

The common 3" .410 load of #4 shot is 11/16 oz. of standard 4s. There are typically 135 pellets to the ounce, so for a 11/16-oz load you'll get in the neighborhood of 92 pellets. With 2-1/2" .410s 1/2-oz shells you'll get about 68 pellets of #4 shot.

Crosshair · August 4, 2010, 02:06 PM

The OP said #4 buckshot, not birdshot.

zippy13 · August 4, 2010, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crosshair

The OP said #4 buckshot, not birdshot.

I checked Midway and Cabela's and found #4 buckshot loads available only 12-ga (Federal's site lists a #4 buck load in .20-ga). That's why I said that .410-bore buckshot loads are typically 000 and 00.

Since the OP is a newer member (and possibly unaware of the difference between #4 Buck [6.09mm/0.240"] and #4 Bird [3.28mm/0.129"] shot), I provided info on standard 000 and 00 as well the commonly available #4 bird shot .410 loads. A more specific answer would have been provided had the OP referenced a particular load. Yes, I'm aware there are ammo sources other that those I mentioned, and unusual loadings are available.

If you have specifics on .410-bore loadings with #4 buckshot, instead making an effort to state the obvious, why didn't you share your information?

Kmar40 · August 4, 2010, 06:52 PM

Many people don't know the difference between #4 birdshot and #4 buck.

.45 COLT · August 4, 2010, 09:32 PM

Nobody that I know of loads #4 Buck in .410 - not even handloaders. Main reason is its size. 0.24" is too large to stack in twos, so any load would be a single, staggered column. Lead #4 Buck weighs 20.75 Grains, so 10 would be just under a half-ounce. Might work, never tried it. It would go bang, but pattern might be pretty awful.

DC

slugman · August 11, 2010, 12:05 AM

Just as an FYI....It does exist.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...gauge-buckshot

hogdogs · August 11, 2010, 12:38 AM

Wow!!! Only 5 pellets!

I wonder how terrible the pattern would be if it was buffered light enough to let them load staggered for a possible 8 or 9 pellets at least...

Brent

zippy13 · August 11, 2010, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugman

Just as an FYI....It does exist.

Is I previously mentioned, unusual loadings are available. I wasn't thinking about brass plated full length steel shells. An unusual loading in an unusual hull, they're catering to an extremely small share of the market.

hogdogs · August 11, 2010, 01:39 AM

And that site is selling them DIRT CHEAP considering that the cost of lead alone for a 2 1/4 inch (57 mm) bore at $1.63 per pound.

For a 3 inch long shell I guesstimate the weight of lead in a full load of birdshot at at approx. 2.5 pounds.

That is 12.5 pounds of lead for 5 shots or about $20 bucks worth of lead per box...

I am also thinkin' that at the minimum barrel length of 18 inches and overall length of 26" minimum, this is going to be a very heavy gun to carry and even heavier to shoulder and swing, a real BEAST.

But with the weight of the gun it may mitigate some of the massive recoil from the huge powder charge that would be required to launch that payload at 1,300 to 1,600 fps...

*Disclaimer I guess what I was trying to say is... "Why is this place selling .410 GAUGE ammo for a gun that hasn't been built yet since it would surely be a *solution lookin' for a problem*!!!"

Brent

natman · August 11, 2010, 02:48 AM

Federal makes them too:
http://www.federalpremium.com/produc...ot.aspx?id=912

It still won't make a Judge a good idea for HD.

zippy13 · August 11, 2010, 06:52 AM

Natman,
I missed these the last time I checked Federal because they don't show up in the "shotshell" section, they're listed as "handgun" ammo. I suspect the popularity of the Judge has something to do with these loads.

Old Grump · August 11, 2010, 03:11 PM

They exist, I have a case of them. I had no intention of buying them but my toy store dealer stuck a box of 5 in my pocket and said try them. Dead on at an ice filled liter jug at 30 yards, pulverized the ice in the middle third of the bottle. At 8 yards I blew the ice filled bottles in half. I bought a case the next time I went in. What can I say, is that guy a salesman or what?

I tried 00 in my 10 gauge at the same distance on paper and had one pellet on paper about 12" from my intended hit point. This is after 3 rounds.

Tried it with the .410 and 4 pellets in the black.

With #3 steel pellets on down to #7 shot and the 10 gauge was king but with buck the target had best be within 24'. or I needed the 12, 20 or .410, how bout that for an eye opener.

August 4, 2010, 05:14 AM	#1
ShellShock Junior member Join Date: July 28, 2010 Posts: 7	.410 #4 Buckshot? Can someone describe this stuff for me? How many pellets? Weight of shot? That's all. Thanks.

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Old Grump Member in memoriam Join Date: April 9, 2009 Location: Blue River Wisconsin, in Posts: 3,144	They exist, I have a case of them. I had no intention of buying them but my toy store dealer stuck a box of 5 in my pocket and said try them. Dead on at an ice filled liter jug at 30 yards, pulverized the ice in the middle third of the bottle. At 8 yards I blew the ice filled bottles in half. I bought a case the next time I went in. What can I say, is that guy a salesman or what? I tried 00 in my 10 gauge at the same distance on paper and had one pellet on paper about 12" from my intended hit point. This is after 3 rounds. Tried it with the .410 and 4 pellets in the black. With #3 steel pellets on down to #7 shot and the 10 gauge was king but with buck the target had best be within 24'. or I needed the 12, 20 or .410, how bout that for an eye opener. __________________ Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern will, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. --Daniel Webster--

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August 4, 2010, 11:00 AM	#2
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Buck shot loads for the 3" .410-bore are typically 5 pellets of 000 or 00. It drops to 3 pellets with 2-1/2" .410 shells. The common 3" .410 load of #4 shot is 11/16 oz. of standard 4s. There are typically 135 pellets to the ounce, so for a 11/16-oz load you'll get in the neighborhood of 92 pellets. With 2-1/2" .410s 1/2-oz shells you'll get about 68 pellets of #4 shot.

August 4, 2010, 02:06 PM	#3
Crosshair Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2004 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 5,333	The OP said #4 buckshot, not birdshot. __________________ I don't carry a gun to go looking for trouble, I carry a gun in case trouble finds me.

August 4, 2010, 06:52 PM	#5
Kmar40 Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 668	Many people don't know the difference between #4 birdshot and #4 buck.

August 4, 2010, 09:32 PM	#6
.45 COLT Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Posts: 308	Nobody that I know of loads #4 Buck in .410 - not even handloaders. Main reason is its size. 0.24" is too large to stack in twos, so any load would be a single, staggered column. Lead #4 Buck weighs 20.75 Grains, so 10 would be just under a half-ounce. Might work, never tried it. It would go bang, but pattern might be pretty awful. DC

August 11, 2010, 12:05 AM	#7
slugman Junior Member Join Date: November 2, 2006 Posts: 1	Just as an FYI....It does exist. http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...gauge-buckshot

August 11, 2010, 12:38 AM	#8
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Wow!!! Only 5 pellets! I wonder how terrible the pattern would be if it was buffered light enough to let them load staggered for a possible 8 or 9 pellets at least... Brent

August 11, 2010, 01:39 AM	#10
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	And that site is selling them DIRT CHEAP considering that the cost of lead alone for a 2 1/4 inch (57 mm) bore at $1.63 per pound. For a 3 inch long shell I guesstimate the weight of lead in a full load of birdshot at at approx. 2.5 pounds. That is 12.5 pounds of lead for 5 shots or about $20 bucks worth of lead per box... I am also thinkin' that at the minimum barrel length of 18 inches and overall length of 26" minimum, this is going to be a very heavy gun to carry and even heavier to shoulder and swing, a real BEAST. But with the weight of the gun it may mitigate some of the massive recoil from the huge powder charge that would be required to launch that payload at 1,300 to 1,600 fps... **Disclaimer* *I guess what I was trying to say is... "Why is this place selling .410 GAUGE* ammo for a gun that hasn't been built yet since it would surely be a solution lookin' for a problem!!!"** Brent

August 11, 2010, 02:48 AM	#11
natman Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2008 Posts: 2,605	Federal makes them too: http://www.federalpremium.com/produc...ot.aspx?id=912 It still won't make a Judge a good idea for HD.

August 11, 2010, 06:52 AM	#12
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Natman, I missed these the last time I checked Federal because they don't show up in the "shotshell" section, they're listed as "handgun" ammo. I suspect the popularity of the Judge has something to do with these loads.