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Old April 29, 2002, 01:32 AM   #1
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What to Buy 590 or 1300?

blue and black I am going down to my local sports shop on friday to Purchase a New home Defense shotgun and am wondering if any-one has any suggestions i am going to either purchase a Mossberg 590, or a Winchester model 1300.
My Question is which one is trully the Best overall i really am looking for Great Dependability More than any thing.
I Like the looks of the 590 more than the 1300.
it has a heat shield a bayonet lug and a speed feed stock although i am not shure if the speed stock is worth a flip..
Of course the 1300 is faster for follow ups. But i am concerned about the Plastic Trigger guard.
Any one have any Suggestions.
Thank You.

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Old April 29, 2002, 04:19 AM   #2
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i love my 590--it also has a plastic trigger group but you'll notice that it is pretty stout....they also make a 590A1 which is the military model which has a steel trigger group, however i'm very comfortable with my 590 as is.....i wouldn't go for the extra money for the metal one unless i was getting more options such as sights ect....As far as fast followups goes i don't think that is a valid concern because my 590 action is slicker that eel followups is the shooter not the gun in my opinion...I've got a Win 97 pump that i play the cowboy game with and i can shoot two shots so fast with that 80 year old gun that it sounds like an auto.....

if you want yours as slick as mine here's what you do---go to Block Buster and rent "The Wild Bunch" and both versions of the Getaway-- all three are good shotgun movies...then take some very thin machine oil or honing oil and oil until it's running out of the action and while watching the videos at least two times each, work the slide back and forth and use the oil very liberally very'll be set at that point.........Dick

PS--if you put a bayonet on the 590 you won't need a gun rack at the skeet range because you can just stick it in the ground and nobody will argue with you if you call a target "lost"

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Old April 29, 2002, 04:42 AM   #3
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Quest, all of the Big Three(1300,500/590,870) are excellent choices. Go with the one that fits you best. However....

The Cool Factor has gotten people killed, and the wrong ones at that.

I've done lots of fast shooting and never needed a heat shield.

Bayonet lugs are cosmetic on shotguns. The bbl's too thin to stay straight when you pitchfork a foe.

And, if the shotgun looks extra scary, you can bet it'll count against you in court, no matter how justified you were in shooting.

And yes, my two "Serious" 870s have black furniture, extended mags, and so on. But, all of these mods can be justified since I used these at MD Dept of Public Safety range training, and the issue 870s have since been adapted to match.

And there's no bayonet lugs, heatshields or skull and crossbones decals.
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Old April 29, 2002, 09:56 AM   #4
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Of course the 1300 is faster for follow ups. But i am concerned about the Plastic Trigger guard.
Faster for follow up shots. That sounds more important than a bayonet lug to me. Now, as far as the plastic trigger guard goes, you using it for home defense, or infantry combat? Get a used 1300.
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Old April 29, 2002, 10:04 AM   #5
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They're both really good shotguns. Get what you feel most comfortable with.
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Old April 29, 2002, 11:25 AM   #6
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I'm in the same dilema. I'm issued a 1300, but I'm going to get a 590 for myself. For a couple of reasons. First off, the 590 has better ergonomics. It has a thumb safety and the slide release is far easier to engage without fumbling. Secondly, two people I trust have recommended the mossberg line over everything else, including the 870, for a tactical shotgun. Before you 870 guys go off, I said "tactical" shotgun. One is a firearms instructor, who said that the mossberg has such loose tolerances that it almost never malfunctions, kind of like an AK. The other is a gunsmith who said that he works on more 1300's than any other shotgun, and he works on mossbergs the least. Now much of this may be personal opinion, I don't know. But combined with the fact that the mossberg feels better, comes with ghost ring sights, and is recommended by folks who have a better opinion than me, that's what I'm going with.
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Old April 29, 2002, 12:38 PM   #7
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I went with the 590 for the following reasons, IMO best safety location for a shotgun, comes with extended mag tube, 10 year Mossberg warranty, and the COOL factor or scary appearance may actually freak the perp out to where no shots need to be fired at all.
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Old April 29, 2002, 12:59 PM   #8
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I bought the Mossberg, and have no regrets. One reason I got it was that one of the places I shopped was the gun section of a large local department store. The Remington was on sale, but the gun manager said the Mossberg was a better built gun, even though he didn't have any in stock at the time.

Also, I've heard bad things about the built-in lock on the Remington that was just coming out about a year ago. No personal knowledge, but I saw many posts here and elsewhere that it was possible to lock it on safe with your finger (something that ain't suppose to happen), and then you can't take it off safe without the key. Don't know if this has been fixed in later models.
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Old April 29, 2002, 06:30 PM   #9
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2 cents worth, even if to late.

Get the higher quality one-that being the Winchester Model 1300 Defender, you won't be sorry.
Let us know which one you got, and how you ended up doing with it.
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Old April 29, 2002, 06:53 PM   #10
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I've got 2 Winchester 1300s. One for the house, and one in the Jeep. I've got a 870 and I like it too, but I'm a Winchester Defender man myself. I'm with Defenders like George Burns was with cigars. For some reason, the 1300 just "fits" me and I can handle that gun like Babe Ruth swung a bat. I hit everything I'm aiming at and very, very fast. I love mine. That's why I got 2.
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Old April 30, 2002, 03:44 AM   #11
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I have shot both and 590 is H**** bent for strong but IMHO I think the 1300 is a hole lot smoother and and faster to work. It could help that the 1300 LOOKS a little more PC
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Old April 30, 2002, 01:40 PM   #12
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I've got a couple of 1300s, also some 870s and a 590A1. I like 'em all. All seem reliable. But the action of the 1300 is the smoothest and easiest of the bunch. Its workmanship is good, too. Anyway, I keep a loaded 1300 in the closet by the front door.

At the range one day the plastic trigger guard shattered on a pistol-grip 1300 while I was shooting Remington magnum shells. I've never had a problem with the guard on a shoulder-stocked 1300. Actually, with the exception of the 590A1, so many shotguns seem to be going to plastic trigger guards nowadays, there isn't as much choice about this as there used to be.
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