Somebody Help Me Save My $$

sltm1 · March 5, 2011, 10:42 PM

I can't figure out how the cylinder scene can be so bad and the engraving be so good ?! Also, I'm no pro on Dragoon model differences (trigger guard shape etc). Can this be real, or is it a defarbed repro??!!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=218280879

Fingers McGee · March 5, 2011, 11:53 PM

It's a second model by characteristics (rectangular bolt cuts & square back triggerguard); but, a 3rd model according to serial number and table in Wilson's Colt book.

A faint cylinder scene isn't unusual. Cylinder scenes are roll engraved and the rest of the engraving is chiseled and stamped. Roll engraving just leaves an impression on the surface of the metal. Chiseled engraving is cutting the metal and removing some of it to leave the pattern.

radom · March 6, 2011, 06:14 AM

As clear and clean as the cuts are on the brass I would go with what the seller says on no idea if its original. My guess is its a later work on the ingraving. But its still a nice gun and as its a bit hinky you may get a good gun for a decent price.

PetahW · March 6, 2011, 12:47 PM

You might as well enjoy yourself -

Just don't forget: Money talks, but - the only thing it says is "good-bye".

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DrLaw · March 6, 2011, 12:54 PM

Interesting on how only two screws seem to be buggered up (lower grip frame and frame under cylinder). The nipples appear to be replacements, as do the hammer, hand and cylinder stop screws. The grips do not appear to be wood that is 100+ years old, and there is no photograph of under the barrel where Uberti puts the "Black Powder Only" logos.

Ask for a photo of the underneath of the barrel.

The Doc is out now.

Hawg · March 6, 2011, 01:07 PM

I'm thinking the gun is original but like the others have stated not completely original. I think the engraving on at least some of the brass should closer match the cylinder scene for wear if it was done during it's used lifetime. I think it was done either just before or right after it's retirement. I do think the screws have been replaced as well as the grips and wedge. It's still a fairly decent gun tho.

Ben Towe · March 6, 2011, 02:03 PM

$100 overnight/$70 ground shipping? That seems somewhat high?

Hawg · March 6, 2011, 05:19 PM

Must be the special stealth packaging.

62coltnavy · March 6, 2011, 11:25 PM

my source says 3 model started with SN 10700. The last 2nds were made in 1851, so 10671 would be one of the last ones made. Engraving is classic Colt. Civilian market weapon with silver plate.. Nipples do appear new. The grip to my eye looks original--note how it has dried out around the edges. , even the screws are old, having hints of blue left on them in places. Looks real to me but I'm not an expert.

Fingers McGee · March 6, 2011, 11:37 PM

62coltnavy, you're right, I'm either dislexic or need to clean my glasses. I misread the serial number.

arcticap · March 7, 2011, 10:05 AM

The engraving looks beautiful and is a real pleasure to view. Someone's about to win a treasurable gun at what may end up being a fairly reasonable price.

sltm1 · March 7, 2011, 07:21 PM

Thanks for the info guy's...I took myself out of the game and went and bought a small benchtop lathe for my blacksmithing...bet I can figure out how to make a bp gun on it eventually....if I live that long.

sltm1 · March 7, 2011, 07:23 PM

Whoa, just saw the closing price on the Dragoon, over 8K !!! Glad I got the lathe!!

arcticap · March 8, 2011, 09:53 AM

Wow! It was at ~$2300 with 5 hours left when I posted yesterday.
Then it went up $5000 in the 5 hour time span after that!

kilog55 · March 8, 2011, 11:36 AM

8200 lol someone better hope its a real model

arcticap · March 8, 2011, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Towe

$100 overnight/$70 ground shipping? That seems somewhat high?

To the seller's credit, the listing states:

Quote:

Shipping is direct to the buyer's door and is a flat rate of $100 insured. Should the shipping be less than the $100 charge, a refund of the difference will be issued to the buyer.

I imagine that the price of the extra insurance will be high. The post office limit is $5000 worth of insurance which they charge $51.70 for.

March 5, 2011, 10:42 PM	#1
sltm1 Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 353	Somebody Help Me Save My $$ I can't figure out how the cylinder scene can be so bad and the engraving be so good ?! Also, I'm no pro on Dragoon model differences (trigger guard shape etc). Can this be real, or is it a defarbed repro??!! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=218280879

March 5, 2011, 11:53 PM	#2
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	It's a second model by characteristics (rectangular bolt cuts & square back triggerguard); but, a 3rd model according to serial number and table in Wilson's Colt book. A faint cylinder scene isn't unusual. Cylinder scenes are roll engraved and the rest of the engraving is chiseled and stamped. Roll engraving just leaves an impression on the surface of the metal. Chiseled engraving is cutting the metal and removing some of it to leave the pattern. __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

March 6, 2011, 12:54 PM	#5
DrLaw Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2007 Location: Wild Western Illinois Posts: 559	Interesting on how only two screws seem to be buggered up (lower grip frame and frame under cylinder). The nipples appear to be replacements, as do the hammer, hand and cylinder stop screws. The grips do not appear to be wood that is 100+ years old, and there is no photograph of under the barrel where Uberti puts the "Black Powder Only" logos. Ask for a photo of the underneath of the barrel. The Doc is out now. __________________ General McAuliffe said it best "Nuts."

March 6, 2011, 02:03 PM	#7
Ben Towe Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 1,128	$100 overnight/$70 ground shipping? That seems somewhat high? __________________ 'Merica: Back to back World War Champs

March 6, 2011, 11:37 PM	#10
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	62coltnavy, you're right, I'm either dislexic or need to clean my glasses. I misread the serial number. __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

March 6, 2011, 06:14 AM	#3
radom Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2000 Posts: 1,357	As clear and clean as the cuts are on the brass I would go with what the seller says on no idea if its original. My guess is its a later work on the ingraving. But its still a nice gun and as its a bit hinky you may get a good gun for a decent price.

March 6, 2011, 12:47 PM	#4
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	You might as well enjoy yourself - Just don't forget: Money talks, but - the only thing it says is "good-bye". .

March 6, 2011, 01:07 PM	#6
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	I'm thinking the gun is original but like the others have stated not completely original. I think the engraving on at least some of the brass should closer match the cylinder scene for wear if it was done during it's used lifetime. I think it was done either just before or right after it's retirement. I do think the screws have been replaced as well as the grips and wedge. It's still a fairly decent gun tho.

March 6, 2011, 05:19 PM	#8
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Must be the special stealth packaging.

March 6, 2011, 11:25 PM	#9
62coltnavy Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2011 Posts: 356	my source says 3 model started with SN 10700. The last 2nds were made in 1851, so 10671 would be one of the last ones made. Engraving is classic Colt. Civilian market weapon with silver plate.. Nipples do appear new. The grip to my eye looks original--note how it has dried out around the edges. , even the screws are old, having hints of blue left on them in places. Looks real to me but I'm not an expert.

March 7, 2011, 10:05 AM	#11
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	The engraving looks beautiful and is a real pleasure to view. Someone's about to win a treasurable gun at what may end up being a fairly reasonable price.

March 7, 2011, 07:21 PM	#12
sltm1 Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 353	Thanks for the info guy's...I took myself out of the game and went and bought a small benchtop lathe for my blacksmithing...bet I can figure out how to make a bp gun on it eventually....if I live that long.

March 7, 2011, 07:23 PM	#13
sltm1 Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 353	Whoa, just saw the closing price on the Dragoon, over 8K !!! Glad I got the lathe!!

March 8, 2011, 09:53 AM	#14
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	Wow! It was at ~$2300 with 5 hours left when I posted yesterday. Then it went up $5000 in the 5 hour time span after that!

March 8, 2011, 11:36 AM	#15
kilog55 Member Join Date: February 28, 2011 Location: NEPA Posts: 28	8200 lol someone better hope its a real model