will cylinder and/or crane drop in?

old fart · July 27, 2014, 03:59 PM

this is for a friend of mine, since i don't know i thought i would ask ya'll as he doesn't have internet. he seen how well my service six performed that he found a blue security six from 1984 at a local shop. when he got it yesterday i told him to do a complete take down and cleaning. he did but his 6 yr old slipped in and got his cylinder and crane assembly. now it's still ok but it doesn't look as good. the kid beat it against the cement porch and threw it as well. the crane isn't to bad but does have dings and scratches, the cylinder looks terrible and the ejector and rod aren't good at all. he found one on gun broker and wondered if he bought it will it drop in?, he doesn't want to involve a gunsmith he is wanting to bid on it soon, so thanks for any help asap.

Roughedge · July 27, 2014, 06:41 PM

There's a good chance it will work but there's a small chance the timing may be off. Just have to get it and see , may have to do a little work on the hand if it dont. The kid would have a sore butt if he was mine.

James K · July 27, 2014, 09:52 PM

Maybe. Ruger's machines are pretty good, but a cylinder has to fit at so many points that finding one that works right would require a bit of luck. Has your friend tried contacting Ruger?

Jim

old fart · July 28, 2014, 08:00 AM

yes he called ruger, they said they have no more parts. all parts were released to various suppliers such as numrich, if they couldn't fix it then he could get a gp100 at a reduced price. they didn't say exactly how much but quoted somewhere around $350-$400. he gave $400 for his so he don't want to do that as he would have way too much in the gp100. but they said if they could fix it that it would be free all he woulkd have to do is ship to them, they told him they would return ship to him no charge. thanks

**4V50 Gary** · July 28, 2014, 08:24 AM

They need to be fitted.

James K · July 29, 2014, 03:55 PM

"They need to be fitted."

Or not. I once had six or seven S&W Victory Models and an equal number of cranes and cylinders that I wanted to make complete guns from. (Someone apparently had decided to "demil" a bunch of guns by removing the cranes and cylinders and throwing everything in a box. A friend picked out the best looking frames and parts and brought them to me.)

But none of the cranes, cylinders and frames matched up. (S&W numbered the crane and frame and the cylinders had the serial number.) IIRC, I got three or four guns together with no problem, and the others took only minor fitting, mostly cutting the end of the barrel a bit. One took a swipe with a file on the cylinder arbor.

Actually, I was a bit surprised how well those guys, in the middle of a war, with Civil War era machinery and old tooling, kept to tolerances. Even the front of the cranes matched pretty well, or at least good enough to sell. That was good, because I had no desire to do any polishing and then have to remove all the Parkerizing and reblue them.

Jim

July 27, 2014, 03:59 PM	#1
old fart Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2009 Posts: 405	will cylinder and/or crane drop in? this is for a friend of mine, since i don't know i thought i would ask ya'll as he doesn't have internet. he seen how well my service six performed that he found a blue security six from 1984 at a local shop. when he got it yesterday i told him to do a complete take down and cleaning. he did but his 6 yr old slipped in and got his cylinder and crane assembly. now it's still ok but it doesn't look as good. the kid beat it against the cement porch and threw it as well. the crane isn't to bad but does have dings and scratches, the cylinder looks terrible and the ejector and rod aren't good at all. he found one on gun broker and wondered if he bought it will it drop in?, he doesn't want to involve a gunsmith he is wanting to bid on it soon, so thanks for any help asap.

July 27, 2014, 06:41 PM	#2
Roughedge Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Location: Monroe,NC Posts: 669	There's a good chance it will work but there's a small chance the timing may be off. Just have to get it and see , may have to do a little work on the hand if it dont. The kid would have a sore butt if he was mine. __________________ The man that die's with the most stuff win's!

July 28, 2014, 08:24 AM	#5
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,840	They need to be fitted. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

July 27, 2014, 09:52 PM	#3
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Maybe. Ruger's machines are pretty good, but a cylinder has to fit at so many points that finding one that works right would require a bit of luck. Has your friend tried contacting Ruger? Jim

July 28, 2014, 08:00 AM	#4
old fart Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2009 Posts: 405	yes he called ruger, they said they have no more parts. all parts were released to various suppliers such as numrich, if they couldn't fix it then he could get a gp100 at a reduced price. they didn't say exactly how much but quoted somewhere around $350-$400. he gave $400 for his so he don't want to do that as he would have way too much in the gp100. but they said if they could fix it that it would be free all he woulkd have to do is ship to them, they told him they would return ship to him no charge. thanks

July 29, 2014, 03:55 PM	#6
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	"They need to be fitted." Or not. I once had six or seven S&W Victory Models and an equal number of cranes and cylinders that I wanted to make complete guns from. (Someone apparently had decided to "demil" a bunch of guns by removing the cranes and cylinders and throwing everything in a box. A friend picked out the best looking frames and parts and brought them to me.) But none of the cranes, cylinders and frames matched up. (S&W numbered the crane and frame and the cylinders had the serial number.) IIRC, I got three or four guns together with no problem, and the others took only minor fitting, mostly cutting the end of the barrel a bit. One took a swipe with a file on the cylinder arbor. Actually, I was a bit surprised how well those guys, in the middle of a war, with Civil War era machinery and old tooling, kept to tolerances. Even the front of the cranes matched pretty well, or at least good enough to sell. That was good, because I had no desire to do any polishing and then have to remove all the Parkerizing and reblue them. Jim