C&R License

OldSoul · December 26, 2012, 06:23 PM

I am debating on whether or not to get a c&r license. I buy 1-3 c&r guns a year so I am trying to figure out if it is worth the hassle of getting one and will it change the way I buy non c&r guns. Also how often does the BATF audit c&r holders? Any comments are appreciated.

leadchucker · December 26, 2012, 07:03 PM

Having an 03 C&R license will not change anything about how you buy or sell non-C&R firearms. They still have to go through an 01 FFL.

Most FFL's around here charge $20 -$30 per firearm transfer. I've only had my C&R for a year, and it paid for itself on the second C&R eligible transaction. You might be audited once a year, or you might go for twenty years and not ever be audited. I've had my C&R for a year and haven't been audited yet. I've never heard of any C&R audit being a problem anyway, unless you aren't keeping your books properly, (keeping a C&R log is easy, BTW.) All you are required to record in your bound book are the C&R transactions that took place while your license was in effect. That's all the BATFE is interested in.

Cheapshooter · December 26, 2012, 07:26 PM

It may change how many non C&R guns you buy when you start ordering all the C&R's that are offered.

BATF audits are pretty rare with C&R FFL license holders. I've had mine for 10 or so years without hearing from them. I've heard of some that when called for an audit appointment the agent just asked if the licensee would bring his bound book to the office for a look. The aren't supposed to do a surprise audit like they can with a class 01 FFL.
Getting, or having the class 03 C&R license isn't rteally much of a hassle. Or at least it hasn't been. Who knows what the future might bring with anything firearms related.
Just follow the instructions, and don't reaf too much into the questions, Just answer them honestly. The one that most often gets misunderstood, and people go way overboard on is if you sent a copy of the completed form to your CLEO. It doesn't say did you hand deliver it, meet with him, or kneel down on one knee, and say pretty please! It just asks if you sent a copy to his office. Sent, as in U.S. mail, not special delivery, or anything else. Copy, envelope addressed to your chief law enforcement officer, stamp, done!

OldSoul · December 26, 2012, 08:13 PM

Thanks for the input. What I was asking as far as non c&r firearms was concerned was buying from an individual would the c&r change any requirements for that or if I were to buy a c&r gun off an individual or somewhere like a pawn shop would I have to record it in the bound book?

leadchucker · December 26, 2012, 08:13 PM

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It may change how many non C&R guns you buy when you start ordering all the C&R's that are offered.

I forgot to mention that. That's the only downside to a C&R license.

OP, while your C&R license is in effect, you are supposed to record ANY transaction involving a C&R eligible firearm in your bound book, regardless of the circumstances. Yeah, you might get by with not doing one, but I would say that ain't wise.

Cheapshooter · December 26, 2012, 09:35 PM

Any C&R firearms purchased after you have the license are required to be entered in your bound book regardless of who or where they are purchased. Not a big deal. Other than after a few years your bound book may look like a phone book.

OldSoul · December 26, 2012, 11:09 PM

Alright thanks guys. I think I'm going to go ahead with it and thinking of a nagant revolver for being my first purchase with it. I already have two mosin nagants and they look lonely together.

kilimanjaro · December 26, 2012, 11:59 PM

They're not lonely, they have each other. The Nagant revolver will be their first child...

Sport45 · December 27, 2012, 12:58 AM

One great thing about the C&R license is the dealer pricing you qualify for at places like Graf's and MidwayUSA.

That alone paid for mine in no time at all.

OldSoul · December 27, 2012, 01:07 AM

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They're not lonely, they have each other. The Nagant revolver will be their first child...

I never thought about it that way. If I buy from say my local gun shop will I still have to do the background check on c&r guns? As you can tell I'm going into new territory.

jonnyc · December 27, 2012, 09:04 AM

Many gunshops and 01FFLs will not recognize an 03C&R, but that's their choice. In addition, some states will still require the background check, especially for a handgun.

johnwilliamson062 · December 28, 2012, 12:39 AM

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One great thing about the C&R license is the dealer pricing you qualify for at places like Graf's and MidwayUSA.

No kidding. I can save enough a year with this alone to justify the license.

James K · December 28, 2012, 04:44 PM

Be aware that some states don't recognize the 03 FFL at all.

Jim

bob.a · December 28, 2012, 09:20 PM

My state, Maryland, doesn't recognise the 03. But so what? I just buy my C&R items from other states, and have them shipped to my door. All perfectly legal. I just can't get any respect from MD FFL01s; have to jump thru all the paper hoops.

tobnpr · December 29, 2012, 05:47 PM

Take your average of two weapons per year.
How much are your transfers? $30? $40?

$60-$80 per year, x 3 years= $180-$240 in transfer fees, not to mention the trip to the LGS to pickup and do the paperwork.

Versus $30 and a trip to the cop shop for printing..and the convenience of having them delivered to your door.

jonnyc · December 29, 2012, 07:05 PM

"a trip to the cop shop for printing"

Huh?????????????

leadchucker · December 29, 2012, 07:19 PM

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"a trip to the cop shop for printing"

Huh?????????????

A trip to the Police dept. or Sheriff's dept for fingerprinting.

Funny. I do recall being printed for my CCW, but not for the C&R.

OcelotZ3 · December 29, 2012, 08:26 PM

There are no fingerprints required for a C&R.

OcelotZ3 · December 29, 2012, 08:28 PM

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Many gunshops and 01FFLs will not recognize an 03C&R

I haven't ever run into that issue with gunshops or at gun shows.

I've seen some folks on Gunbroker who state in their ads that they won't sell to anyone but an 01 FFL (even though it qualifies as a C&R) but that's it.

stickhauler · December 30, 2012, 02:20 AM

You often get forms for fingerprints with your application for a C&R, but there is no requirement for fingerprints for the C&R license. That requirement is for a Class 01 FFL dealer license.

tobnpr · December 30, 2012, 10:29 AM

Thanks for correcting me...sub-senior moment...
Did my CCW and FFL at the same time...
Did have to send notification to the Sheriff's Office for the FFL, but the prints were for my CCW. Sorry about the misinformation.

jonnyc · December 30, 2012, 01:03 PM

FWIW, I did understand the "cop shop" reference, but there is no fingerprint requirement for a C&R, nor for carry permits in many/most states.

tobnpr · December 30, 2012, 06:09 PM

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nor for carry permits in many/most states.

Learn something new every day....
I always assumed FL was one of the most liberal "shall issue" states...and the printing would have been part of the CCW permit process anywhere. Surprising to me that it's not a typical requirement in other states.

OldSoul · December 30, 2012, 06:55 PM

It is a requirement in tn but did it at another location.

SteveBonning · December 31, 2012, 11:54 PM

Like Bob A., I'm in Maryland and they pretty much ignore the C & R license which is a Federal license regarding intrastate transactions. States can regulate their intrastate transactions if they choose. Like many others, I don't buy any of my C & R handguns or rifles in Maryland; I get them online and delivered to my door, or go to gun shows or gun shops in PA, Virginia or Delaware and take the weapons with me. I even picked one up in North Carolina while travelling to Myrtle Beach. Always have a copy of my C & R license in my wallet, just in case!

December 26, 2012, 06:23 PM	#1
OldSoul Member Join Date: March 29, 2012 Location: Tennessee Posts: 53	C&R License I am debating on whether or not to get a c&r license. I buy 1-3 c&r guns a year so I am trying to figure out if it is worth the hassle of getting one and will it change the way I buy non c&r guns. Also how often does the BATF audit c&r holders? Any comments are appreciated.

December 26, 2012, 07:26 PM	#3
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	It may change how many non C&R guns you buy when you start ordering all the C&R's that are offered. BATF audits are pretty rare with C&R FFL license holders. I've had mine for 10 or so years without hearing from them. I've heard of some that when called for an audit appointment the agent just asked if the licensee would bring his bound book to the office for a look. The aren't supposed to do a surprise audit like they can with a class 01 FFL. Getting, or having the class 03 C&R license isn't rteally much of a hassle. Or at least it hasn't been. Who knows what the future might bring with anything firearms related. Just follow the instructions, and don't reaf too much into the questions, Just answer them honestly. The one that most often gets misunderstood, and people go way overboard on is if you sent a copy of the completed form to your CLEO. It doesn't say did you hand deliver it, meet with him, or kneel down on one knee, and say pretty please! It just asks if you *sent* a copy to his office. Sent, as in U.S. mail, not special delivery, or anything else. Copy, envelope addressed to your chief law enforcement officer, stamp, done! __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

December 26, 2012, 09:35 PM	#6
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Any C&R firearms purchased after you have the license are required to be entered in your bound book regardless of who or where they are purchased. Not a big deal. Other than after a few years your bound book may look like a phone book. __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

December 27, 2012, 12:58 AM	#9
Sport45 Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 1999 Location: Too close to Houston Posts: 4,196	One great thing about the C&R license is the dealer pricing you qualify for at places like Graf's and MidwayUSA. That alone paid for mine in no time at all. __________________ Proud member of the NRA and Texas State Rifle Association. Registered and active voter.

December 31, 2012, 11:54 PM	#25
SteveBonning Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2011 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 137	Like Bob A., I'm in Maryland and they pretty much ignore the C & R license which is a Federal license regarding intrastate transactions. States can regulate their intrastate transactions if they choose. Like many others, I don't buy any of my C & R handguns or rifles in Maryland; I get them online and delivered to my door, or go to gun shows or gun shops in PA, Virginia or Delaware and take the weapons with me. I even picked one up in North Carolina while travelling to Myrtle Beach. Always have a copy of my C & R license in my wallet, just in case! __________________ Steve Bonning, PA-C Licensed Collector of Curios & Relics Maryland Designated Collector

December 26, 2012, 07:03 PM	#2
leadchucker Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2011 Location: NC Posts: 252	Having an 03 C&R license will not change anything about how you buy or sell non-C&R firearms. They still have to go through an 01 FFL. Most FFL's around here charge $20 -$30 per firearm transfer. I've only had my C&R for a year, and it paid for itself on the second C&R eligible transaction. You might be audited once a year, or you might go for twenty years and not ever be audited. I've had my C&R for a year and haven't been audited yet. I've never heard of any C&R audit being a problem anyway, unless you aren't keeping your books properly, (keeping a C&R log is easy, BTW.) All you are required to record in your bound book are the C&R transactions that took place while your license was in effect. That's all the BATFE is interested in.

December 26, 2012, 08:13 PM	#4
OldSoul Member Join Date: March 29, 2012 Location: Tennessee Posts: 53	Thanks for the input. What I was asking as far as non c&r firearms was concerned was buying from an individual would the c&r change any requirements for that or if I were to buy a c&r gun off an individual or somewhere like a pawn shop would I have to record it in the bound book?

December 26, 2012, 11:09 PM	#7
OldSoul Member Join Date: March 29, 2012 Location: Tennessee Posts: 53	Alright thanks guys. I think I'm going to go ahead with it and thinking of a nagant revolver for being my first purchase with it. I already have two mosin nagants and they look lonely together.

December 26, 2012, 11:59 PM	#8
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	They're not lonely, they have each other. The Nagant revolver will be their first child...

December 27, 2012, 09:04 AM	#11
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,731	Many gunshops and 01FFLs will not recognize an 03C&R, but that's their choice. In addition, some states will still require the background check, especially for a handgun.

December 28, 2012, 04:44 PM	#13
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Be aware that some states don't recognize the 03 FFL at all. Jim

December 28, 2012, 09:20 PM	#14
bob.a Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 298	My state, Maryland, doesn't recognise the 03. But so what? I just buy my C&R items from other states, and have them shipped to my door. All perfectly legal. I just can't get any respect from MD FFL01s; have to jump thru all the paper hoops.

December 29, 2012, 05:47 PM	#15
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	Take your average of two weapons per year. How much are your transfers? $30? $40? $60-$80 per year, x 3 years= $180-$240 in transfer fees, not to mention the trip to the LGS to pickup and do the paperwork. Versus $30 and a trip to the cop shop for printing..and the convenience of having them delivered to your door.

December 29, 2012, 07:05 PM	#16
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,731	"a trip to the cop shop for printing" Huh?????????????

December 29, 2012, 08:26 PM	#18
OcelotZ3 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Posts: 229	There are no fingerprints required for a C&R.

December 30, 2012, 02:20 AM	#20
stickhauler Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2009 Posts: 244	You often get forms for fingerprints with your application for a C&R, but there is no requirement for fingerprints for the C&R license. That requirement is for a Class 01 FFL dealer license.

December 30, 2012, 10:29 AM	#21
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	Thanks for correcting me...sub-senior moment... Did my CCW and FFL at the same time... Did have to send notification to the Sheriff's Office for the FFL, but the prints were for my CCW. Sorry about the misinformation.

December 30, 2012, 01:03 PM	#22
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,731	FWIW, I did understand the "cop shop" reference, but there is no fingerprint requirement for a C&R, nor for carry permits in many/most states.

December 30, 2012, 06:55 PM	#24
OldSoul Member Join Date: March 29, 2012 Location: Tennessee Posts: 53	It is a requirement in tn but did it at another location.

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