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Trap Leads
I think I have a very simple question about trap leads.
Do I pull the trigger when the gun points at the target or when it points so as to allow for a lead? For example, if I am shooting 16 yard singles from postion 5 and I have a hard right crosser. A recommended lead is 2 to 2.5'. I always thought this meant that my barrel should be pointed 2 to 2.5' ahead of the target when I shoot. Something I saw the other day seemed to indicate that you shoot when on target and your swing will allow for lead. I think that is either wrong or I misinterpreted what the author meant. Am I not supposed to swing past the target to what I call the lead point and then pull the trigger while continuing to swing? This is what I read about allowing for swing to take care of lead: Quote:
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March 2, 2012, 05:45 PM | #2 |
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Lead looks different to everyone. The only birds I notice much lead on is a hard right on number 5 and a hard left on number 1. When Im in the zone and shooting well, all I see is the clay. Im not thinking about swing or when to pull the trigger. My entire focus is on the target. Everything else is muscle memory.
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March 2, 2012, 07:00 PM | #3 |
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Klawman:
Here ya go: http://www.google.com/search?q=remin...ient=firefox-a if that doesn't come up, go to Remington and download the trap fundamentals brochure everything you want to know from the experts |
March 2, 2012, 08:37 PM | #4 |
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I do as Rudy describes. I do not try to measure the lead. I swing through and pull the trigger as I am passing the bird, works for me. If you don't follow-through you'll be shooting behind.
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March 2, 2012, 10:12 PM | #5 |
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Thanks all. Actually, I re-examined the Remington Trap Fundamentals brochure, that one that oneounce pointed to, the night before last and thinking about things it is consistent with LSnSC aand MB4Gringo say as long as I don't stop my swing. I just wanted to make sure that two different things weren't one; that "where the gun points at the instant of fire" wasn't the same thing as where it points when my brain tells my finger to pull the trigger. Between those two points in time I imagine the barrel covers the lead.
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March 3, 2012, 11:44 AM | #6 |
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Klawman,
Get youre hands on some Sporting Clays magazines and read the articles by Gil and Vicky Ash. Their discussion of lead applies to all shotgun sports. If you're thinking about how much youre screwed before you ever pull the trigger. |
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Will do LNnSC. I saw something by them a while back on the net. One thing that helps is to see what I am doing. Of course I can't see what I am doing but I watched a buddy who has one of the same nasty habits as mine. He looks at the bead or barrel and stops his gun for an instant before the big boom. That is usually a miss. If he stops it almost at the moment of the bang, it is more likely to be a hit. I never realized how much time can elapse from the stop to the bang.
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March 3, 2012, 05:53 PM | #8 |
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Bill McGuire is another - he shoots sporting with a minimum of lead and shows how you pull the trigger as you cover the bird. What is neat is that they use an eye camera in his glasses so you get the same view as ho does
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March 3, 2012, 06:25 PM | #9 |
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We'll see, one ounce. The more I get into this the more it seems that I have made everything unduly complcated. Typical me. I have one instructional video and it is pretty good as long as I concentrate on the fundamentals. Phil Kiner's Trap Fundamentals or something like that. Still, it gets hard to pay attention to the same thing after you have seen it several times.
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March 4, 2012, 11:10 AM | #10 |
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Have someone who knows what they are looking for stand behind you and watch you shoot. If you are checking the bead, your swing will stop and start, like a ratchet. Thats a hard habit to break. Try taking the bead off. Assuming your gun fits, you dont need it for 16's.
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Hey Klaw Man!
I second the guys that fire as you swing through the bird, as that works for me. I believe the speed of your swing on the hard right or left birds helps dictate the eventual lead rather than you having to "measure" it with your eyes which then could allow for the fatal mistake of subconsciously stopping the gun at that lead.... With that said, whatever works for you after practicing is what YOU should do! Sweethshot |
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Never try to "measure" lead, you'll miss behind; and don't ask someone else how much lead they used - their "3 foot" lead might seem more like 6 feet to you or vice versa.
If I am hitting a target that a friend is missing and he asks for lead, i respond with where my gun was (in relation to a clock face) - and I'll say I was at 8 O'clock or whatever, or I floated the bird above the bead, or similar -because what I see as a distance may be totally off. Move to the bird and as you pull in front, pull the trigger AND KEEP THE GUN MOVING - too many stop the gun as they pull the trigger - result is a miss from behind While folks say that practice makes perfect, that is only half correct....PERFECT practice makes perfect - practicing something incorrectly over and over just creates bad muscle memory that is hard to undo |
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This is so, so true:
While folks say that practice makes perfect, that is only half correct....PERFECT practice makes perfect - practicing something incorrectly over and over just creates bad muscle memory that is hard to undo Oneounceload is dead-on with that statement. I have also found that shooting too much Trap can also hurt you, gotta mix it up from time to time and do Skeet and/or Sporting Clays. These sports can certainly get into your head! |
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Today, I worked on shooting as I passed the bird on the hard rights and it seems to be starting to work. Like one ounce suggested, as did a staff member at the shooting range, I also extended my left hand. It not only worked much better with my XS Skeet, but when I took a few shots with my buddy's White Onyx.
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Klawman - glad to see it is working.
When I watched a few "pros", especially on trap and skeet, the "chicken wing' stance was used by several, but ALL of them used an extended off hand for great swing dynamics If you think about it, a short offhand gives you zero leverage to move the gun with any semblance of control, while the long hand allows you to have maximum control |
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It not only seems to work, oneounce, but it turned out that the right crossers that I was shooting today were extra difficult due some problem with the machine.
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"Of course I can't see what I am doing"
You can if you invest in a pair of video camera sunglasses. This one is sold out, but there are others. http://www.cabelas.com/sunglasses-hu...nglasses.shtml |
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good stuff
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About practice........My music teacher is fond of saying that "practice makes permanent" before going on to what Oneounce has astutely mentioned. Pete
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You could do a whole lot worse than listening to the advise of Rudy Etchen. In the day, the man nailed down every trophy that he could find.
Don't overthink it. It's supposed to be fun. I know, I know, I remember when I was shooting trap and some of the angles would drive me crazy. Those were great years, but it is supposed to be fun. |
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