Ah, wonderful, wonderful Illinois...

snevensmores · February 16, 2009, 12:45 PM

I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but a democratic rep is attempting to pass a law mandating gun owners in our fascist state must maintain a $1 million liability insurance policy. If you're caught without said policy, your FOID card is revoked and all of your guns are then illegal.

If they can't forcibly take our guns away, they legislate them away...

Link:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bill...76&LegID=41158

JWT · February 16, 2009, 01:00 PM

Illinois certainly does have 'creative' politicians. I wonder what the $1,000,000 insurance policy would do other than perhaps make insurance companies happy. Still, you gotta admit the anit gun crowd is creative.

Hopefully gun owners in Illinois will watch the bills progress and inform their legislators that they are opposed to it.

Huey Long · February 16, 2009, 01:01 PM

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I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but a democratic rep is attempting to pass a law mandating gun owners in our fascist state must maintain a $1 million liability insurance policy. If you're caught without said policy, your FOID card is revoked and all of your guns are then illegal.

What a jerk. That's ridiculous. Last I heard, mandatory auto coverage was only $40,000, at least in this state.

vranasaurus · February 16, 2009, 01:11 PM

I don't see how making someone have an expensive insurance policy to exericise a right would be constitutional.

nate45 · February 16, 2009, 01:22 PM

I doubt it will go anywhere, last year, or year before IL politicos tried to pass a magazine ban and it failed. I seriously don't think this nonsense will ever make it out of committee.

Navy joe · February 16, 2009, 01:24 PM

But I'll bet if you asked the guy to introduce a bill requiring a driver's license and proof of residency to vote that would be voter suppression.

snevensmores · February 16, 2009, 01:29 PM

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But I'll bet if you asked the guy to introduce a bill requiring a driver's license and proof of residency to vote that would be voter suppression.

shortwave · February 16, 2009, 02:01 PM

Someone needs to check if Dunkin has any relation or close ties in the insurance business. Sounds to me to be a bill to stimulate the insurance business while at the same time stimulating the gun owners prostate:barf:. Hope some calls where made from gunowners to Reps. office.

johnwilliamson062 · February 16, 2009, 02:37 PM

Insurance industry may be behind this, but...
I doubt it. People who don't carry Homeowners or Rental insurance in the first place aren't going to care enough to buy it b/c of this, and moving from $100,000(which is pretty paltry) to $1,000,000 doesn't cost all that much and is not all that profitable for the insurance company.

I also enjoy how this is many times the insurance most states require to own an auto.

snevensmores · February 16, 2009, 03:41 PM

I wonder if this extremely high dollar number is just a ploy -- that they can back off to mandating $500,000 or so of liability insurance, call it a "compromise," and claim it to be bipartisan.

No matter what, if this passes, I won't be able to afford to be a legal gun owner anymore...

UPDATE: I've already sent an email, and I just placed a call my area's representative in order to determine his position on this bill (though, being an IL democrat, I already have a pretty good idea as to which way he's leaning). No answer at his office. I'll try again before the end of the business day.

snevensmores · February 16, 2009, 04:00 PM

By the way, here is Rep Dunkin's info if any of you out in Illinois would like to voice your concern...

Kenneth “Ken” Dunkin
(D-Chicago)
5th District

District Office
1520 N. Wells St.
Chicago, IL 60610
(312) 266-0340
(312) 266-0699 (fax)

Capitol Office
290-S Stratton Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-4535
(217) 782-4213 (fax)

#18indycolts · February 16, 2009, 04:28 PM

its the same thing with some states making people that own pit bulls carry insurance, dumb,dumb,dumb!

DRD · February 18, 2009, 12:28 AM

Considering the behaviour of our Illinois politicians, I'd like them all to have massive insurance to fix things after we convict them. Blago has done a lot more damage than any gun owner.

Huey Long · February 18, 2009, 01:02 AM

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No matter what, if this passes, I won't be able to afford to be a legal gun owner anymore...

I doubt it will pass, unless some sort of exception is made for fudd guns. There are too many farmers and other fudd-types downstate.

eaglesnester · February 18, 2009, 08:09 PM

Here in Canada if you join the NFA (National Firearms Association, Canadian NRA) you get I believe 5 million bucks libality with your membership. Its no big deal. The insurance company that underwrites these policies know that law abiding gun owners are a very, very, low risk

for homicides, accidental shootings, property damage, etc. etc.

OnTheFly · February 18, 2009, 08:26 PM

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I doubt it will go anywhere, last year, or year before IL politicos tried to pass a magazine ban and it failed. I seriously don't think this nonsense will ever make it out of committee.

The only way to make sure is for EVERYONE to contact your representatives and voice your opinion. You've got some restrictive laws up there in Illinois and they probably got passed because people were expecting the politicians to use common sense. Well...those laws got passed, so you need to speak up and give them the common sense they don't already possess.

Fly

rjrivero · February 20, 2009, 12:43 PM

There is speculation all ready that if this passes in Illinois, then Obama will use it as a model for the Federal Government.

http://rightsoup.com/gun-insurance/

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ls.html?cat=75

chibiker · February 20, 2009, 01:02 PM

It would seem that this insurance policy requirement is a result of the "antis" getting very nervous.... Chicago's handgun ban case is in the courts and it would seem that it is going very well, for us I mean.
The Illinois Sheriff's Association overwhelming voted to endorse concealed carry here as well as there being a bill in the House to allow it.
I take it as a sign that they (antis) know it's coming and this is a step towards fighting it. But, what do I know....

Webleymkv · February 20, 2009, 05:00 PM

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UPDATE: I've already sent an email, and I just placed a call my area's representative in order to determine his position on this bill (though, being an IL democrat, I already have a pretty good idea as to which way he's leaning). No answer at his office. I'll try again before the end of the business day.

One thing I learned while living in Illinos is that you cannot determine a politican from that state's position based on his political party. For example, your previous (and also incarcerated) governor, George Ryan was a Republican and was no friend to 2A (I seem to recall an asnine law called the "safe neighborhoods act" that he unsuccessfully tried to ramrod through) while his Democratic opponent, Glen Poshard, was fairly 2A friendly. It seems a better indicator of an Illinois politicians views is whether he is from Chicago or downstate. That being said, downstate Illinois is relatively conservative and most people there have a pretty logical view of firearms. I'd be willing to bet that downstate prevents this law from passing.

**Shane Tuttle** · February 20, 2009, 07:43 PM

I don't see it going anywhere.

What insurance agency out there has any policy that will cover "willfull and/or negligent" acts? IIRC, just about every policy made by an insurance agency that will cover an incident has to be an accident or an act of God.

shortwave · February 20, 2009, 08:35 PM

Good point Tuttle. Also if the Ins. indusrty feels they can make a dime off this would it be possible for them to come up with some kind of special policy covering the required needs. If so premiums would probably be outta sight.

DRD · February 20, 2009, 09:34 PM

To these antis, it would be even better if there was no insurance coverage that would fit the requirement. No insurance, no guns!

KC9LDB · February 22, 2009, 06:13 PM

This states politicians are a joke. They listen to the kids that are my age that hate guns. The kids hate guns because their parents hate guns. Their parents hate guns because the politicians hate guns. It is a vicious cycle out here in the Land of Lincoln. Thus the reason why I like to strut around with my HK MP5 t-shirt on and get the dirty looks from gun haters.
At the same time, I have gotten my friends who hated guns to love them! One time shooting the shotguns changes their opinion now my group of friends have FOID cards or are waiting on FOID cards.
I think that if we as gun owners get people hooked on the sport; Im not talking like starting a cult hahaha; but introduce the sport and show your support, it really has an impact on Illinois' public, I believe we can break the cycle on anti-gun people.

Huey Long · February 22, 2009, 06:44 PM

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This states politicians are a joke. They listen to the kids that are my age that hate guns. The kids hate guns because their parents hate guns. Their parents hate guns because the politicians hate guns. It is a vicious cycle out here in the Land of Lincoln. Thus the reason why I like to strut around with my HK MP5 t-shirt on and get the dirty looks from gun haters.

You should see the idiots when they come here to Arizona and see people walking around with real guns strapped to their hips. Priceless.

KC9LDB · February 23, 2009, 04:58 AM

I dream and dream for CCW to come here. I don't know, I just think i would feel safer at school, at work, going to my bank which was robbed twice. You know? Argh, I just don't get it. If you guys in those other states have CCW, Im sure you do but feel free, soak it in, it sucks not having it

February 16, 2009, 01:22 PM	#5
nate45 Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,746	I doubt it will go anywhere, last year, or year before IL politicos tried to pass a magazine ban and it failed. I seriously don't think this nonsense will ever make it out of committee. __________________ "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."- Thomas Jefferson ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (>_<)

February 16, 2009, 01:24 PM	#6
Navy joe Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2001 Location: VA, USA Posts: 1,804	But I'll bet if you asked the guy to introduce a bill requiring a driver's license and proof of residency to vote that would be voter suppression. __________________ FY47012

February 16, 2009, 03:41 PM	#10
snevensmores Member Join Date: January 9, 2008 Location: IL Posts: 89	I wonder if this extremely high dollar number is just a ploy -- that they can back off to mandating $500,000 or so of liability insurance, call it a "compromise," and claim it to be bipartisan. No matter what, if this passes, I won't be able to afford to be a legal gun owner anymore... UPDATE: I've already sent an email, and I just placed a call my area's representative in order to determine his position on this bill (though, being an IL democrat, I already have a pretty good idea as to which way he's leaning). No answer at his office. I'll try again before the end of the business day. __________________ CZ 75B 9mm Duo Tone, Ruger 22/45 5.5" Bull Barrel .22, Savage Mark II .22LR, M44 Mosin Nagant, Remington 870 12ga Super Mag GO CARDS! Last edited by snevensmores; February 16, 2009 at 03:58 PM. Reason: UPDATE

February 16, 2009, 04:00 PM	#11
snevensmores Member Join Date: January 9, 2008 Location: IL Posts: 89	By the way, here is Rep Dunkin's info if any of you out in Illinois would like to voice your concern... Kenneth “Ken” Dunkin (D-Chicago) 5th District District Office 1520 N. Wells St. Chicago, IL 60610 (312) 266-0340 (312) 266-0699 (fax) Capitol Office 290-S Stratton Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-4535 (217) 782-4213 (fax) __________________ CZ 75B 9mm Duo Tone, Ruger 22/45 5.5" Bull Barrel .22, Savage Mark II .22LR, M44 Mosin Nagant, Remington 870 12ga Super Mag GO CARDS!

February 18, 2009, 08:09 PM	#15
eaglesnester Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2007 Posts: 100	libality insurance Here in Canada if you join the NFA (National Firearms Association, Canadian NRA) you get I believe 5 million bucks libality with your membership. Its no big deal. The insurance company that underwrites these policies know that law abiding gun owners are a very, very, low risk for homicides, accidental shootings, property damage, etc. etc.

February 16, 2009, 12:45 PM	#1
snevensmores Member Join Date: January 9, 2008 Location: IL Posts: 89	Ah, wonderful, wonderful Illinois... I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but a democratic rep is attempting to pass a law mandating gun owners in our fascist state must maintain a $1 million liability insurance policy. If you're caught without said policy, your FOID card is revoked and all of your guns are then illegal. If they can't forcibly take our guns away, they legislate them away... Link: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bill...76&LegID=41158 __________________ CZ 75B 9mm Duo Tone, Ruger 22/45 5.5" Bull Barrel .22, Savage Mark II .22LR, M44 Mosin Nagant, Remington 870 12ga Super Mag GO CARDS!

February 16, 2009, 01:00 PM	#2
JWT Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2007 Location: Southern Arizona Posts: 3,888	Illinois certainly does have 'creative' politicians. I wonder what the $1,000,000 insurance policy would do other than perhaps make insurance companies happy. Still, you gotta admit the anit gun crowd is creative. Hopefully gun owners in Illinois will watch the bills progress and inform their legislators that they are opposed to it.

February 16, 2009, 01:11 PM	#4
vranasaurus Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2008 Posts: 1,184	I don't see how making someone have an expensive insurance policy to exericise a right would be constitutional.

February 16, 2009, 02:01 PM	#8
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	Someone needs to check if Dunkin has any relation or close ties in the insurance business. Sounds to me to be a bill to stimulate the insurance business while at the same time stimulating the gun owners prostate:barf:. Hope some calls where made from gunowners to Reps. office.

February 16, 2009, 02:37 PM	#9
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	Insurance industry may be behind this, but... I doubt it. People who don't carry Homeowners or Rental insurance in the first place aren't going to care enough to buy it b/c of this, and moving from $100,000(which is pretty paltry) to $1,000,000 doesn't cost all that much and is not all that profitable for the insurance company. I also enjoy how this is many times the insurance most states require to own an auto.

February 16, 2009, 04:28 PM	#12
#18indycolts Junior member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Indpls Posts: 1,159	its the same thing with some states making people that own pit bulls carry insurance, dumb,dumb,dumb!

February 18, 2009, 12:28 AM	#13
DRD Member Join Date: June 5, 2001 Location: NW of Chicago Posts: 55	Considering the behaviour of our Illinois politicians, I'd like them all to have massive insurance to fix things after we convict them. Blago has done a lot more damage than any gun owner.

February 20, 2009, 12:43 PM	#17
rjrivero Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2008 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 1,399	Speculation There is speculation all ready that if this passes in Illinois, then Obama will use it as a model for the Federal Government. http://rightsoup.com/gun-insurance/ http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ls.html?cat=75

February 20, 2009, 01:02 PM	#18
chibiker Member Join Date: November 14, 2008 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 63	It would seem that this insurance policy requirement is a result of the "antis" getting very nervous.... Chicago's handgun ban case is in the courts and it would seem that it is going very well, for us I mean. The Illinois Sheriff's Association overwhelming voted to endorse concealed carry here as well as there being a bill in the House to allow it. I take it as a sign that they (antis) know it's coming and this is a step towards fighting it. But, what do I know....

February 20, 2009, 07:43 PM	#20
Shane Tuttle Staff Join Date: November 28, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 9,443	I don't see it going anywhere. What insurance agency out there has any policy that will cover "willfull and/or negligent" acts? IIRC, just about every policy made by an insurance agency that will cover an incident has to be an accident or an act of God. __________________ If it were up to me, the word "got" would be deleted from the English language. Posting and YOU: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

February 20, 2009, 08:35 PM	#21
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	Good point Tuttle. Also if the Ins. indusrty feels they can make a dime off this would it be possible for them to come up with some kind of special policy covering the required needs. If so premiums would probably be outta sight.

February 20, 2009, 09:34 PM	#22
DRD Member Join Date: June 5, 2001 Location: NW of Chicago Posts: 55	To these antis, it would be even better if there was no insurance coverage that would fit the requirement. No insurance, no guns!

February 22, 2009, 06:13 PM	#23
KC9LDB Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2009 Location: Woodridge, IL Posts: 147	This states politicians are a joke. They listen to the kids that are my age that hate guns. The kids hate guns because their parents hate guns. Their parents hate guns because the politicians hate guns. It is a vicious cycle out here in the Land of Lincoln. Thus the reason why I like to strut around with my HK MP5 t-shirt on and get the dirty looks from gun haters. At the same time, I have gotten my friends who hated guns to love them! One time shooting the shotguns changes their opinion now my group of friends have FOID cards or are waiting on FOID cards. I think that if we as gun owners get people hooked on the sport; Im not talking like starting a cult hahaha; but introduce the sport and show your support, it really has an impact on Illinois' public, I believe we can break the cycle on anti-gun people.

February 23, 2009, 04:58 AM	#25
KC9LDB Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2009 Location: Woodridge, IL Posts: 147	I dream and dream for CCW to come here. I don't know, I just think i would feel safer at school, at work, going to my bank which was robbed twice. You know? Argh, I just don't get it. If you guys in those other states have CCW, Im sure you do but feel free, soak it in, it sucks not having it