M1861 Springfield who made this repop

101combatvet · March 12, 2016, 08:45 PM

No pictures but I'm trying to figure out the manufacture of a M1861 that I recently saw.

Top of barrel near tang has the VP, 1861 and an Eagle Head stamp.

I couldn't find any serial number or manufactures markings.

On the stock just below the trigger guard is a "P" in a circle stamping.

Anyone have a clue as to the manufacture? The rifle appears to be factory new,
if shot it wasn't used much.

Hawg · March 12, 2016, 09:28 PM

Really need pics

James K · March 12, 2016, 09:33 PM

The manufacturer should be on the lockplate.

Jim

101combatvet · March 12, 2016, 09:47 PM

Springfield, 1861 and the eagle motif.

The key is probably the P in the circle, anyone see that before on a reproduction?

Model12Win · March 12, 2016, 09:58 PM

We need pictures.

101combatvet · March 12, 2016, 10:08 PM

Pedersoli?

Hawg · March 13, 2016, 09:29 AM

I know of no reputable maker that doesn't put their name on them somewhere along with proof marks or that use original proof marks. it could be one that someone has defarbed and added the original markings or it could be an original but without pics it's anybody's guess.

101combatvet · March 13, 2016, 08:23 PM

Here are some pics.

101combatvet · March 13, 2016, 08:30 PM

I guess the top inspector stamp is a defrab from John G. Zimmerman, but I'm still unclear as to the manufacture of this M1861. Anyone?

l.cutler · March 14, 2016, 04:44 AM

You won't find out from the marks pictured, they are all just copies of marks on original rifles, the P on the stock was the firing proof. It is a replica that has been defarbed. You can take it apart and check on the bottom of the barrel or inside the lock for markings. Otherwise, you will need to do some detective work and identify it by comparing small details with rifle muskets from known manufacturers. Armi sports are a fair bit larger and chunkier than some of the others, some full length pictures ans some measurements might be a place to start.

101combatvet · March 14, 2016, 08:02 AM

Just wanted to make sure that it wasn't Indian made for one. It's said to be unfired, hard to tell for sure. It is in minty condition and the asking price was $495.

maillemaker · March 14, 2016, 02:10 PM

You could check with Zimmerman and see if he can identify it as one of his:

http://harpersferrycivilwarguns.com/services

Steve

March 12, 2016, 08:45 PM	#1
101combatvet Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2011 Posts: 667	M1861 Springfield who made this repop No pictures but I'm trying to figure out the manufacture of a M1861 that I recently saw. Top of barrel near tang has the VP, 1861 and an Eagle Head stamp. I couldn't find any serial number or manufactures markings. On the stock just below the trigger guard is a "P" in a circle stamping. Anyone have a clue as to the manufacture? The rifle appears to be factory new, if shot it wasn't used much. __________________ Special Operations Combat Veteran Gunsmith, BS, MFA, Competitive Shooter NRA Certified Firearms Instructor [9 Certifications]

March 12, 2016, 09:47 PM	#4
101combatvet Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2011 Posts: 667	Springfield, 1861 and the eagle motif. The key is probably the P in the circle, anyone see that before on a reproduction? __________________ Special Operations Combat Veteran Gunsmith, BS, MFA, Competitive Shooter NRA Certified Firearms Instructor [9 Certifications]

March 12, 2016, 10:08 PM	#6
101combatvet Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2011 Posts: 667	Pedersoli? __________________ Special Operations Combat Veteran Gunsmith, BS, MFA, Competitive Shooter NRA Certified Firearms Instructor [9 Certifications]

March 13, 2016, 08:30 PM	#9
101combatvet Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2011 Posts: 667	I guess the top inspector stamp is a defrab from John G. Zimmerman, but I'm still unclear as to the manufacture of this M1861. Anyone? __________________ Special Operations Combat Veteran Gunsmith, BS, MFA, Competitive Shooter NRA Certified Firearms Instructor [9 Certifications]

March 14, 2016, 08:02 AM	#11
101combatvet Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2011 Posts: 667	Just wanted to make sure that it wasn't Indian made for one. It's said to be unfired, hard to tell for sure. It is in minty condition and the asking price was $495. __________________ Special Operations Combat Veteran Gunsmith, BS, MFA, Competitive Shooter NRA Certified Firearms Instructor [9 Certifications]

March 12, 2016, 09:28 PM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Really need pics

March 12, 2016, 09:33 PM	#3
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The manufacturer should be on the lockplate. Jim

March 12, 2016, 09:58 PM	#5
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	We need pictures.

March 13, 2016, 09:29 AM	#7
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I know of no reputable maker that doesn't put their name on them somewhere along with proof marks or that use original proof marks. it could be one that someone has defarbed and added the original markings or it could be an original but without pics it's anybody's guess.

March 14, 2016, 04:44 AM	#10
l.cutler Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2005 Posts: 275	You won't find out from the marks pictured, they are all just copies of marks on original rifles, the P on the stock was the firing proof. It is a replica that has been defarbed. You can take it apart and check on the bottom of the barrel or inside the lock for markings. Otherwise, you will need to do some detective work and identify it by comparing small details with rifle muskets from known manufacturers. Armi sports are a fair bit larger and chunkier than some of the others, some full length pictures ans some measurements might be a place to start.

March 14, 2016, 02:10 PM	#12
maillemaker Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 1,635	You could check with Zimmerman and see if he can identify it as one of his: http://harpersferrycivilwarguns.com/services Steve