Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade

gifted · November 19, 2004, 12:58 AM

I don't know how many of you watch anime. I just got done watching Jin-Roh, and was somewhat curious about the equipment they use.

I'm aware that the armor is probably useless to some extent. The guns though, are somewhat interesting. The machine gun and its feed mechanism is of interest to me, and the main subject of this post. The ammo is in belts, I think about fifty rounds apiece. They are pulled out of a magazine carried on the back, and loaded into the machine gun. A sideways foregrip is held, and the belt drapes across the left forearm through a guide built into the armor there.

Anybody got any ideas on how well it would work?

carebear · November 19, 2004, 11:26 PM

haven't seen it. but the key to proper belt feeding is tension and angle. If you start tweaking a belt out of a 90 deg. angle to the feed ramp or get too much drag, say from rounds dragging on the aforementioned arm guide or the arm guide being out of a narrow range of alignment with the gun, you could get a failure to feed.

Just a thunk.

DrDremel · November 21, 2004, 09:26 AM

Since it is a cartoon, it does not have to actaully work and is a made up gun based on looks.

Johnny Guest · November 21, 2004, 03:36 PM

With all due respect, and with utterly no flame intended: Posts and comments pertaining to animated cartoons, comic books, and video games are mostly off topic in this forum. About the only posts with any significance are when someone mentions something like, "I watched the new XYZ 'toon, and they very accurately depicted the [insert TYPE/MODEL of firearm] and the shoooting techniques were very realistic."

It is a given that fantasy entertainment is, by definition, mostly, uh, well, FANTASTIC! As well to discuss how we can duplicate Wile E. Coyote's fall from a 700 foot cliff and climb out of his own crater after impact. Hilariously funny, perhaps, but with no relation to real life.

Johnny

penates · November 21, 2004, 11:07 PM

I am not sure if this helps, but the firearms used were very typical of mid ww2 german as were the uniforms and equipment. The machinegun you saw appeared to be a MG 42, while the rifles in the academy were StG 44, and the pistol he shoots his girl with at the end a c96 mauser. Interestingly enough, the rebels used what appeared to be sten guns.

gifted · November 22, 2004, 10:15 PM

I didn't know the names of the guns, but I knew at least the ones in the rebels' hands were somewhat authentic. This thread probably would have gone over better if I'd asked for identification like what you gave. I know alot of anime use real guns, and portrays them accurately, but I was thinking the equipment used by the guys in the armor was made up. Thanks for that.

For others, some pics I found:
http://www.animesquad.by.ru:81/Jinroh/j10.JPG
Shows a good view of the left arm and the guide on it.

http://www.animesquad.by.ru/Jinroh/Jin-roh22.JPG
Shows the gun. Is he holding the bipod as the forward grip?

No offense taken, Johnny. You guys take your guns very seriously. For the most part though, while some anime are comedy, comparing anime and Wile E. would be like comparing the Three Stooges to Sylvester Stallone or something. This isn't meant to offend either, but to inform. I posted this here because I was interested in others' opinions on the matter, which I felt was related enough to go up.

PMDW · November 25, 2004, 12:27 AM

That is an MG42. And yes, he is using the bipod as a foregrip.

Tamara · November 25, 2004, 08:04 AM

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The guns though, are somewhat interesting. The machine gun and its feed mechanism is of interest to me, and the main subject of this post. The ammo is in belts, I think about fifty rounds apiece. They are pulled out of a magazine carried on the back, and loaded into the machine gun. A sideways foregrip is held, and the belt drapes across the left forearm through a guide built into the armor there.

Well, generally, when someone is carrying a man-portable belt-fed weapon nowadays, the belt is carried in a box attached to the weapon, not draped dramatically like Rambo or Anime Man, there.

(The MG42, when used as an LMG, carried its belt in a drum.)

gifted · November 27, 2004, 03:37 PM

I'd think that having 200 rounds in a box would outweigh being able to change out fifty or one hundred round belts that quickly. It is somewhat obvious that it's cooler than it is practical. I'd be inclined to put a chute back to the box on my back though. Never have to swap a box or drum or belt.

Tamara · November 27, 2004, 11:15 PM

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I'd be inclined to put a chute back to the box on my back though.

A long and flexible feedway just multiplies the chances of the belt kinking and various feedway jams. While the anime/Hollywood way may look cool, the real life way actually works.

November 19, 2004, 12:58 AM	#1
gifted Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 409	Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade I don't know how many of you watch anime. I just got done watching Jin-Roh, and was somewhat curious about the equipment they use. I'm aware that the armor is probably useless to some extent. The guns though, are somewhat interesting. The machine gun and its feed mechanism is of interest to me, and the main subject of this post. The ammo is in belts, I think about fifty rounds apiece. They are pulled out of a magazine carried on the back, and loaded into the machine gun. A sideways foregrip is held, and the belt drapes across the left forearm through a guide built into the armor there. Anybody got any ideas on how well it would work?

November 21, 2004, 03:36 PM	#4
Johnny Guest Moderator in Memoriam Join Date: August 28, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 4,123	Anime? With all due respect, and with utterly no flame intended: Posts and comments pertaining to animated cartoons, comic books, and video games are mostly off topic in this forum. About the only posts with any significance are when someone mentions something like, "I watched the new XYZ 'toon, and they very accurately depicted the [insert TYPE/MODEL of firearm] and the shoooting techniques were very realistic." It is a given that fantasy entertainment is, by definition, mostly, uh, well, FANTASTIC! As well to discuss how we can duplicate Wile E. Coyote's fall from a 700 foot cliff and climb out of his own crater after impact. Hilariously funny, perhaps, but with no relation to real life. Johnny

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November 19, 2004, 11:26 PM	#2
carebear Junior member Join Date: December 8, 2001 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 494	haven't seen it. but the key to proper belt feeding is tension and angle. If you start tweaking a belt out of a 90 deg. angle to the feed ramp or get too much drag, say from rounds dragging on the aforementioned arm guide or the arm guide being out of a narrow range of alignment with the gun, you could get a failure to feed. Just a thunk.

November 21, 2004, 09:26 AM	#3
DrDremel Member Join Date: September 19, 2002 Location: South East Michigan Posts: 68	Since it is a cartoon, it does not have to actaully work and is a made up gun based on looks.

November 21, 2004, 11:07 PM	#5
penates Junior Member Join Date: January 28, 2002 Posts: 5	I am not sure if this helps, but the firearms used were very typical of mid ww2 german as were the uniforms and equipment. The machinegun you saw appeared to be a MG 42, while the rifles in the academy were StG 44, and the pistol he shoots his girl with at the end a c96 mauser. Interestingly enough, the rebels used what appeared to be sten guns.

November 22, 2004, 10:15 PM	#6
gifted Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 409	I didn't know the names of the guns, but I knew at least the ones in the rebels' hands were somewhat authentic. This thread probably would have gone over better if I'd asked for identification like what you gave. I know alot of anime use real guns, and portrays them accurately, but I was thinking the equipment used by the guys in the armor was made up. Thanks for that. For others, some pics I found: http://www.animesquad.by.ru:81/Jinroh/j10.JPG Shows a good view of the left arm and the guide on it. http://www.animesquad.by.ru/Jinroh/Jin-roh22.JPG Shows the gun. Is he holding the bipod as the forward grip? No offense taken, Johnny. You guys take your guns very seriously. For the most part though, while some anime are comedy, comparing anime and Wile E. would be like comparing the Three Stooges to Sylvester Stallone or something. This isn't meant to offend either, but to inform. I posted this here because I was interested in others' opinions on the matter, which I felt was related enough to go up.

November 25, 2004, 12:27 AM	#7
PMDW Member Join Date: September 14, 2004 Posts: 39	That is an MG42. And yes, he is using the bipod as a foregrip.

November 27, 2004, 03:37 PM	#9
gifted Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 409	I'd think that having 200 rounds in a box would outweigh being able to change out fifty or one hundred round belts that quickly. It is somewhat obvious that it's cooler than it is practical. I'd be inclined to put a chute back to the box on my back though. Never have to swap a box or drum or belt.