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Old July 30, 2008, 04:47 PM   #1
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AA 2700 powder

I need to replace some WW 760 stolen last fall, and the closest I can see for a replacement is AA 2700. Has anyone used and/or loaded with this ball propellant? The price is less than the WW powder, but I don't know anybody that has used this. Thanks in advance. CB.
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Old July 30, 2008, 05:40 PM   #2
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Why not replace it with more 760? Or you could go with H-414, many claim it is the same powder as 760. As for ball powders in the 760 range how about H 380?
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Old July 30, 2008, 05:50 PM   #3
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Because WW 760 is much more expensive. I need input on AA 2700. I have H380, BLC2 and other powders; I need info on 2700.
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Old July 30, 2008, 08:22 PM   #4
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The 2700 is significantly quicker than the 760. I have it in inventory but I've never found a case that it shoots real well in. To the quicker side but slower than 2700 would be H380 or if you're lucky in finding some WC-852. The WC-852 should be around $8.00 lb but it's not an easy find. Otherwise, any of the 4350 powders are good but a hair slower than the 760. Might also take a look at the Ramshot Big Game if you can buy it right. Also take a look at the Accurate Data Powders:
http://www.accuratepowder.com/datapowder.htm
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Old July 30, 2008, 10:16 PM   #5
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Because WW 760 is much more expensive.
How much are they charging you for 760 in your neck of the woods?

Powder Valley Prices
Win 760 $17.25/lb
H 414 $16.50/lb
2700 $15.00/lb
BigGame $14.50/lb
Hunter $14.50/lb

If you are looking for inexpensive quality powder check out the Ramshot line. By the way Ramshot and AA are the same company.

Hey Loader9, The Data Powders from AA are a great buy. Only problem is that all the good ones are gone, except DP -85 which so far in my several tested pounds sucks.
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Old July 31, 2008, 06:47 AM   #6
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ANY powder here is $25 a pound or more. I have to order powder if I want to save any money at all. I just need the actual hands-on loading experience. Thanks for the advice that 2700 is faster than 760. Powder Valley has the best prices, but the hazmat has to figure in somewhere. I've used a lot of H414 and 760 so I know what to expect. According to the Accurate data, 2700 compares to 760. It sounds like it is somewhere between 760 and 748, and I may just have to get more of the WW stuff.
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Old July 31, 2008, 08:39 AM   #7
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DP86 if it's still available from Powder Valley.
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I purchased some WC852 from Jeff Barlett at GIBrass.com. At the time of purchase he informed me that Accurate Arms had also purchased a lot of WC852 and was selling it as AA2700.

Since WC852 was spec'd to give a 150 FMJ a velocity of 2700 fps in a 30-06, seems we know how the name came about.

Each 90,000 pound lot of WC852 was different. I have the lot acceptance sheet from Jeff's lot, and another lot. And load data from AA. Jeff's lot is a lot slower than the AA lot. Takes 61 grains for the GI load.

Anyway I have used my WC852 and some AA2700 and found that it will shoot very well in 30-06, 7mm Mauser, 7.5 Swiss and 6.5 Swede. I get match grade accuracy with 168's and 200 SMK's in the 30-06. Should do well in the 270. My lot of WC852 was too slow in the 308 and 303 Brit; don't know about AA2700. I tried it in 243, got high velocities, but the barrel was bad, would not group with anything, so I cannot comment on accuracy in this caliber. In a good barrel it should have been fine.

This powder does better when the case if full.

You did not mention what cartridge you are using.
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DP86 if it's still available from Powder Valley.
Hey sundog, I can't find DP-86 on Powder Valley's web site. I only have about 12lbs left and could use some more. Could you direct me with a link to Powder Valley's DP-86?
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I took a looksee for the DP86. Must be all gone.
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Old July 31, 2008, 08:45 PM   #11
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Actually I will be loading several calibers if I can get the right loads without a year's worth of research. .243,.257,25/06, 270, 308, and 30/06. Maybe I'll just say WTH and get the 760. I'd like to save some dinero for Pyrodex if I can.
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Is AA-2700 the same thing as H414

Is AA-2700 identical to H414 ?
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Old May 3, 2019, 01:18 PM   #13
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No. Different burn rates. Not by much though. H414 is #112. AA2700 is #114 on the burn rate chart.
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Old May 3, 2019, 04:22 PM   #14
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I have also read that AA2700, H414 and W760 are all the same powder. Of course, from one lot to another of any of the three there could be some differences, so start low and work up.
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Old May 3, 2019, 10:49 PM   #15
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Today the price diff at Powder Valley was $0.30 a pound.
https://www.powdervalleyinc.com/prod...e%2Cwinchester
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2700 is one of the best powders for a 17 Remington, have not used it for anything else.

Accurate powders used to be cheap (and good). At todays prices, I will stick to Hodgdon and IMR.
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Old May 6, 2019, 12:40 PM   #17
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In QuickLOAD's database, for which actual powder lots are measured, 2700 has a burn rate about 12% faster than H414/760 (both canister grade versions of St. Marks Western Cannon WC760). 12% is a bigger step than canister grade powders have, so it either is not the same thing or it is the same thing blended to a faster burn rate per the distributor's instructions. In any event, it won't be interchangeable, load-data-wise.
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