Identical Powders

math teacher · March 21, 2014, 06:44 PM

I read in the latest Handloader Magazine the Norma MRP and Alliant Reloader 22 are the same powder. I have read on here about other powders such as a Winchester powder that are the same as a powder from a different company. In these days of short supply of powder, it would help if someone had a list of powders with different names that are actually identical. Such a list will not come from the powder companies of course. Many such as Hodgdon do not make powder, only distribute it and perhaps have it made to their specifications. Does anyone have such a list? I am well aware the powders with the same number, but from different companies such as the two 4831s are not the same.

LE-28 · March 21, 2014, 07:56 PM

This link will get your started.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...ross-Reference

Here's another article,

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...bers-tell-all/

Here's another one,

http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handlo...quivalents.asp

I think you also noticed that no-one is offering personal information. That's because no-one I know would trust any of this information without working up their load themselves.

Some may be the same powder in a different label and most of it is probably just close to the same burn rate. Either way, I don't subscribe to any of these links as being Gosbel and you shouldn't either.

black mamba · March 21, 2014, 10:05 PM

Different brands of powder which are actually the same should be treated as different lots of the same powder. You should never substitute a different lot for an existing load you have worked up. Always drop back 10% and work back up to the same velocity as before. Pressure should be very close to the same.

Having said this, here are the pairs of powders I am aware of, from slowest to fastest.

Reloader 22 and Norma MRP
Winchester 760 and Hodgdon H414
Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
Winchester 296 and Hodgdon H110
Accurate 4100 and Ramshot Enforcer
Hodgdon HS7 and Winchester 571
Hodgdon HS6 and Winchester 540
Winchester Action Pistol and Ramshot Silhouette
Hodgdon HP38 and Winchester 231

math teacher · March 21, 2014, 10:48 PM

Thanks fellas. I asked the question out of curiosity, but the information should be of value to those seeking powder they can use. I second the 10% drop back.

RC20 · March 21, 2014, 11:03 PM

I saw some "Accurate 4350" today.

I know Hogden has 4350, IMR has it, and A 4350 (and other names but this is the latest) this one is supposed to duplicate IMR 4350 burn rate.

On the other hand, I got some H4831 and it went from a nice accurate load (1.25 to 3/4) in 30-06 to all over the map (and adjusted for the difference and mid loads so lots of latitude).

Should be a law against duplicate powder numbers unless its made by the same mfg.

Hmmm, ahh well.

Sharkbite · March 21, 2014, 11:52 PM

Is there anything the same as Trailboss?? Equal burn rate and super bulky?

Armed_Chicagoan · March 22, 2014, 12:02 AM

I have a can of H110 that has the exact same lot number stamped on it as a can of W296 I bought a few days later.

LE-28 · March 22, 2014, 07:11 AM

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I have a can of H110 that has the exact same lot number stamped on it as a can of W296 I bought a few days later

I'm not surprised, in that case they would be exactly the same. I wouldn't hesitate on using the 296 as a direct replacement for the H110 when it's gone.

Sharkbite · March 22, 2014, 09:21 AM

Its fairly widely known that 296 and h110 are the same exact stuff with a different label for retail sales

Are the others listed direct replacements?

WESHOOT2 · March 22, 2014, 01:22 PM

Silhouette received enhanced flash and temperature reducers.

My (old) lots of H110 and W296 (W295?) are distinctly different; in color, grain shape and size, and actual demonstrated and measured performance, far from what would be normal with a 3% MAX variation.

March 21, 2014, 06:44 PM	#1
math teacher Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2012 Location: Southwest WA Coast Posts: 559	Identical Powders I read in the latest Handloader Magazine the Norma MRP and Alliant Reloader 22 are the same powder. I have read on here about other powders such as a Winchester powder that are the same as a powder from a different company. In these days of short supply of powder, it would help if someone had a list of powders with different names that are actually identical. Such a list will not come from the powder companies of course. Many such as Hodgdon do not make powder, only distribute it and perhaps have it made to their specifications. Does anyone have such a list? I am well aware the powders with the same number, but from different companies such as the two 4831s are not the same.

March 21, 2014, 07:56 PM	#2
LE-28 Senior Member Join Date: September 24, 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 759	This link will get your started. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...ross-Reference Here's another article, http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...bers-tell-all/ Here's another one, http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handlo...quivalents.asp I think you also noticed that no-one is offering personal information. That's because no-one I know would trust any of this information without working up their load themselves. Some may be the same powder in a different label and most of it is probably just close to the same burn rate. Either way, I don't subscribe to any of these links as being Gosbel and you shouldn't either. Last edited by LE-28; March 21, 2014 at 08:36 PM.

March 22, 2014, 01:22 PM	#10
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	man I still gotta lotta WAP Silhouette received enhanced flash and temperature reducers. My (old) lots of H110 and W296 (W295?) are distinctly different; in color, grain shape and size, and actual demonstrated and measured performance, far from what would be normal with a 3% MAX variation. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

March 21, 2014, 10:05 PM	#3
black mamba Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2011 Location: SW Florida Posts: 890	Different brands of powder which are actually the same should be treated as different lots of the same powder. You should never substitute a different lot for an existing load you have worked up. Always drop back 10% and work back up to the same velocity as before. Pressure should be very close to the same. Having said this, here are the pairs of powders I am aware of, from slowest to fastest. Reloader 22 and Norma MRP Winchester 760 and Hodgdon H414 Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227 Winchester 296 and Hodgdon H110 Accurate 4100 and Ramshot Enforcer Hodgdon HS7 and Winchester 571 Hodgdon HS6 and Winchester 540 Winchester Action Pistol and Ramshot Silhouette Hodgdon HP38 and Winchester 231

March 21, 2014, 10:48 PM	#4
math teacher Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2012 Location: Southwest WA Coast Posts: 559	Thanks fellas. I asked the question out of curiosity, but the information should be of value to those seeking powder they can use. I second the 10% drop back.

March 21, 2014, 11:03 PM	#5
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	I saw some "Accurate 4350" today. I know Hogden has 4350, IMR has it, and A 4350 (and other names but this is the latest) this one is supposed to duplicate IMR 4350 burn rate. On the other hand, I got some H4831 and it went from a nice accurate load (1.25 to 3/4) in 30-06 to all over the map (and adjusted for the difference and mid loads so lots of latitude). Should be a law against duplicate powder numbers unless its made by the same mfg. Hmmm, ahh well.

March 21, 2014, 11:52 PM	#6
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	Is there anything the same as Trailboss?? Equal burn rate and super bulky?

March 22, 2014, 12:02 AM	#7
Armed_Chicagoan Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2013 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 776	I have a can of H110 that has the exact same lot number stamped on it as a can of W296 I bought a few days later.

March 22, 2014, 09:21 AM	#9
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	Its fairly widely known that 296 and h110 are the same exact stuff with a different label for retail sales Are the others listed direct replacements?