Finding the maker of antique shotgun

Mark Hamer · July 27, 2002, 01:22 AM

I have been handed down an antique shotgun. This weapon has no mfgr's name anywhere on it that I can see. I found a patent date of June 20th 1883 on one side, the other side says Prize Machine Gun. In between the barrel's (it's a dbl) it says Prize Quality---Laminated Steel. I haven't torn it down in quite some time, but just remember some stamping on the area hidden when put together. The butt plate has a bird dog sitting next to a tree with a bird hanging upside down. I am considering having a local gunsmith turn it into a muzzle loader as it appears to be a Damacuss barrel. Anyone out there that can be of help it would be greatly appreciated. Mark

Guyon · July 27, 2002, 10:40 AM

Hi Mark. Welcome to TFL!

I personally can't tell you anything, but you might have better luck with this inquiry over on Harley's section of TFL. If the moderators don't move this one, try posting the same questions on the Harley Nolden Instititute for Firearms Research forum here at The Firing Line.

fal308 · July 29, 2002, 10:10 AM

From Side by Sides of the World by Charles E. Carder;
"Prize Machine Gun Co.: A 12 gauge sidelock with Damascus barrels. The name is stamped on the frame. Quality and history unknown."
More than likely what's known as a hardware gun. Harley has a much better explanation but basically an inexpensive firearm built by one company to be sold by a middleman.

James K · July 30, 2002, 08:30 PM

I recommend against shooting it with any load of any powder. Converting it to a muzzle loader would be a bit pointless, since it would not make the barrel walls any stronger.

You could (at considerable expense) have the barrels sleeved to 20 gauge, but that would cost much more than the gun is worth.

I suggest hanging it above the fireplace and telling folks how your great granddaddy shot outlaws with it.

Jim

July 27, 2002, 01:22 AM	#1
Mark Hamer Junior Member Join Date: July 26, 2002 Location: Batesville Indiana Posts: 1	Finding the maker of antique shotgun I have been handed down an antique shotgun. This weapon has no mfgr's name anywhere on it that I can see. I found a patent date of June 20th 1883 on one side, the other side says Prize Machine Gun. In between the barrel's (it's a dbl) it says Prize Quality---Laminated Steel. I haven't torn it down in quite some time, but just remember some stamping on the area hidden when put together. The butt plate has a bird dog sitting next to a tree with a bird hanging upside down. I am considering having a local gunsmith turn it into a muzzle loader as it appears to be a Damacuss barrel. Anyone out there that can be of help it would be greatly appreciated. Mark

July 27, 2002, 10:40 AM	#2
Guyon Senior Member Join Date: July 27, 2000 Location: Over the Hills and Through the Woods, Tennessee Posts: 1,207	Hi Mark. Welcome to TFL! I personally can't tell you anything, but you might have better luck with this inquiry over on Harley's section of TFL. If the moderators don't move this one, try posting the same questions on the Harley Nolden Instititute for Firearms Research forum here at The Firing Line. __________________ Gun control should just be about hitting your target.

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July 29, 2002, 10:10 AM	#3
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	From Side by Sides of the World by Charles E. Carder; "Prize Machine Gun Co.: A 12 gauge sidelock with Damascus barrels. The name is stamped on the frame. Quality and history unknown." More than likely what's known as a hardware gun. Harley has a much better explanation but basically an inexpensive firearm built by one company to be sold by a middleman.

July 30, 2002, 08:30 PM	#4
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	I recommend against shooting it with any load of any powder. Converting it to a muzzle loader would be a bit pointless, since it would not make the barrel walls any stronger. You could (at considerable expense) have the barrels sleeved to 20 gauge, but that would cost much more than the gun is worth. I suggest hanging it above the fireplace and telling folks how your great granddaddy shot outlaws with it. Jim