45 auto dies for 45 Auto RIM cartridge

Big Caliber · October 17, 2019, 03:08 AM

Assuming I can find the brass and shell holders, is it possible to load the 45 Auto Rim case using 45 acp dies, making height adjustments as necessary? And no, I'm not going to buy moon clips or 1/2 moon clips and just use 45acp ammo. Thanks.

**44 AMP** · October 17, 2019, 03:35 AM

The .45 Auto Rim is loaded in standard .45 ACP dies. The only thing you need is the shell holder for the Auto Rim brass, and the brass itself.

Some old .45acp seater dies have a roll crimp. If yours does, its fine to use it with the Auto Rim brass. If not, the taper crimp common today will also do just fine.

There is no "height adjustment" .45Auto Rim brass is dimensionally the same as .45ACP, other than the thick rim, which is meant to replace the half moon clips in Colt and S&W 1917 revolvers. It usually works in other .45 ACP revolvers that are made to use half moon clips, though its not a guarantee. I have a converted Webley and Auto Rim brass rims are just a few thousandths too thick to work in that particular gun.

.45 Auto Rim will not work in a Single Action revolver (such as the Ruger Blackhawk).

USSR · October 17, 2019, 07:24 AM

As 44 AMP said, you use standard .45 ACP dies. However, I would add one more thing that you need besides the shell holder. Since the .45 ACP uses a taper crimp and .45 ACP die sets come with a taper crimp seating die, you really should get a .45 ACP roll crimp seating die. Fortunately, RCBS sells one and it is RCBS # 18942. Hope that helps.

Don

zeke · October 17, 2019, 01:29 PM

If wanting firm crimp on a cannelured bullet in 45 AR, might consider Redding's profile crimp die. You can adjust these for 2 differing styles of crimp. Starline makes excellent/affordable 45 ar brass, for my purposes much better than Rem's.

As previously stated,45 auto brass doesn't work in the Ruger SA's unless the cylinder is modified.

reddog81 · October 17, 2019, 06:30 PM

I wouldn’t worry about a roll crimp die for either ACP or auto rim cases. I’ve shoot many reloaded rounds in 1917’s, a charter arms pitbull and my 325 PD and never ran into any issues with bullets jumping crimp. The 325 PD weighs in at 21 ounces and if any gun we’re going to have a problem it would be that one.

One of the benefits of shooting a 45 ACP revolver is that it uses the exact same ammo and moonclips make ejecting and reloading ammo at the range a breeze. I usually bring 20 loaded moonclips to the range think of them as “cheap magazines”. I’ve got a few auto rim cases but don’t ever use them because honestly they are more of a hassle.

USSR · October 17, 2019, 09:56 PM

reddog81,

The roll crimp is for the auto rim cases that you don't use, not your .45 ACP cases with moon clips. Also, if I may suggest, use the 238 gr Lyman/Ideal 452423 SWC which was the 2nd bullet that Elmer Keith designed 90 years ago and was designed specifically for the .45AR. The bullet has a crimp groove, hence the need for a roll crimp. I cast this bullet typically as a hollowpoint (bullet on left in pic).

Don

**44 AMP** · October 17, 2019, 11:04 PM

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The bullet has a crimp groove, hence the need for a roll crimp.

I'd suggest that a .45 bullet in an Auto Rim doesn't need a roll crimp. The taper will do fine. The crimp groove is there for those who want to use it, there's no need, just the ability, if desired.

The crimp groove is useful if loading the bullet in .45 Colt cases.

Ben Dover · October 18, 2019, 08:49 AM

Lyman 454424 has always worked well for me. With a medium/heavy crimp.

jag2 · October 18, 2019, 10:16 AM

When I bought my S&W model 25 he threw in around 100 pieces of brass and about a dozen moon clips. I fully intended to load the AR brass, tried the moon clips and never looked back. Like your parents said, "try it you might like it". You will need to buy a tool to load them in the moons but I always like a new tool to play with.

USSR · October 18, 2019, 10:51 AM

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I'd suggest that a .45 bullet in an Auto Rim doesn't need a roll crimp. The taper will do fine. The crimp groove is there for those who want to use it, there's no need, just the ability, if desired.

Elmer would be rolling over in his grave.

Don

Big Caliber · October 18, 2019, 10:45 PM

Thank you ALL for your replies and support. Happy plinking!

Archie · October 28, 2019, 01:15 AM

Your question has been answered. (And agrees with my experience.) So I'll give you this: I'm not sure what you plan on doing with your .45 AR, but I find the 255 grain SWC lead bullets for .45 Colt work quite well. So do the standard 230 grain RNL bullets. And I use Power Pistol powder, since it's a revolver.

Much good fortune.

Mr.RevolverGuy · October 30, 2019, 06:45 PM

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October 17, 2019, 03:08 AM	#1
Big Caliber Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2006 Location: S. CA Posts: 421	45 auto dies for 45 Auto RIM cartridge Assuming I can find the brass and shell holders, is it possible to load the 45 Auto Rim case using 45 acp dies, making height adjustments as necessary? And no, I'm not going to buy moon clips or 1/2 moon clips and just use 45acp ammo. Thanks.

October 17, 2019, 03:35 AM	#2
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,817	The .45 Auto Rim is loaded in standard .45 ACP dies. The only thing you need is the shell holder for the Auto Rim brass, and the brass itself. Some old .45acp seater dies have a roll crimp. If yours does, its fine to use it with the Auto Rim brass. If not, the taper crimp common today will also do just fine. There is no "height adjustment" .45Auto Rim brass is dimensionally the same as .45ACP, other than the thick rim, which is meant to replace the half moon clips in Colt and S&W 1917 revolvers. It usually works in other .45 ACP revolvers that are made to use half moon clips, though its not a guarantee. I have a converted Webley and Auto Rim brass rims are just a few thousandths too thick to work in that particular gun. .45 Auto Rim will not work in a Single Action revolver (such as the Ruger Blackhawk). __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

October 17, 2019, 07:24 AM	#3
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	As 44 AMP said, you use standard .45 ACP dies. However, I would add one more thing that you need besides the shell holder. Since the .45 ACP uses a taper crimp and .45 ACP die sets come with a taper crimp seating die, you really should get a .45 ACP roll crimp seating die. Fortunately, RCBS sells one and it is RCBS # 18942. Hope that helps. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

October 17, 2019, 09:56 PM	#6
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	reddog81, The roll crimp is for the auto rim cases that you don't use, not your .45 ACP cases with moon clips. Also, if I may suggest, use the 238 gr Lyman/Ideal 452423 SWC which was the 2nd bullet that Elmer Keith designed 90 years ago and was designed specifically for the .45AR. The bullet has a crimp groove, hence the need for a roll crimp. I cast this bullet typically as a hollowpoint (bullet on left in pic). Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

October 18, 2019, 08:49 AM	#8
Ben Dover Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2013 Location: High up in the Rocky Moun Posts: 665	Lyman 454424 has always worked well for me. With a medium/heavy crimp. __________________ The soldier's pack is not so heavy a burden as the prisoner's chains. Dwight Eisenhower It is very important what a man stands for. But it is far more important what a man refuses to stand for.

October 17, 2019, 01:29 PM	#4
zeke Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 1999 Location: NW Wi Posts: 1,671	If wanting firm crimp on a cannelured bullet in 45 AR, might consider Redding's profile crimp die. You can adjust these for 2 differing styles of crimp. Starline makes excellent/affordable 45 ar brass, for my purposes much better than Rem's. As previously stated,45 auto brass doesn't work in the Ruger SA's unless the cylinder is modified.

October 17, 2019, 06:30 PM	#5
reddog81 Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,634	I wouldn’t worry about a roll crimp die for either ACP or auto rim cases. I’ve shoot many reloaded rounds in 1917’s, a charter arms pitbull and my 325 PD and never ran into any issues with bullets jumping crimp. The 325 PD weighs in at 21 ounces and if any gun we’re going to have a problem it would be that one. One of the benefits of shooting a 45 ACP revolver is that it uses the exact same ammo and moonclips make ejecting and reloading ammo at the range a breeze. I usually bring 20 loaded moonclips to the range think of them as “cheap magazines”. I’ve got a few auto rim cases but don’t ever use them because honestly they are more of a hassle.

October 18, 2019, 10:16 AM	#9
jag2 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 773	When I bought my S&W model 25 he threw in around 100 pieces of brass and about a dozen moon clips. I fully intended to load the AR brass, tried the moon clips and never looked back. Like your parents said, "try it you might like it". You will need to buy a tool to load them in the moons but I always like a new tool to play with.

October 18, 2019, 10:45 PM	#11
Big Caliber Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2006 Location: S. CA Posts: 421	Thank you ALL for your replies and support. Happy plinking!

October 28, 2019, 01:15 AM	#12
Archie Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2000 Location: Hastings, Nebrasksa - the Hear Posts: 2,209	Your question has been answered. (And agrees with my experience.) So I'll give you this: I'm not sure what you plan on doing with your .45 AR, but I find the 255 grain SWC lead bullets for .45 Colt work quite well. So do the standard 230 grain RNL bullets. And I use Power Pistol powder, since it's a revolver. Much good fortune. __________________ There ain't no free lunch, except Jesus. Archie Check out updated journal at http://oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com/

October 30, 2019, 06:45 PM	#13
Mr.RevolverGuy Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 988	I think you got all your answers you can see what I think about 45AR here in 5 different 45 revolvers http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=4415 __________________ Mr.Revolverguy http://www.dayattherange.com Firearms Reviewed and Reported On: An unbiased opinion with real world use.