Gunmaggeden Fight Moves into High Gear

Old Bill Dibble · August 25, 2016, 07:29 AM

Personally I think they are making a bad assumption that they can win at the ballot box in California. Given CA courts and benches it is likely their only hope.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...nmageddon.html

steve4102 · August 25, 2016, 07:57 AM

I wish them luck, cuz they gunna need it. This be CA, remember.

ATN082268 · August 25, 2016, 09:57 AM

Even if the California voters overturn the Gunmaggedon laws, the government can always pass them again and if that somehow fails, the bureaucracies and/or the courts can always find ways around it. Certain states like California, Hawaii, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut and New Jersey along with the District of Columbia, are, IMHO too far gone to salvage as far as gun laws go.

JWT · August 25, 2016, 10:45 AM

Gotta congratulate them for trying. Fighting the huge liberal population in most of California is damn near impossible....but at least they are trying.

**44 AMP** · August 25, 2016, 11:03 AM

I don't live in in CA, so my view from the outside might not be completely accurate, but what I have noted over the last 40+ years is that no matter WHAT the PEOPLE of CA vote in, the only things that go into effect are those in line with the liberal/leftist agenda.

Public propositions that don't, like the ones to lower the people's cost for gasoline, auto insurance, car tabs, and everything else that isn't in line with what the powers that be want, doesn't go into effect.

It goes into court. And after YEARS in court (sometimes decades??) after public support has faded, it is ruled against. Net effect, zero change in people's lives. What ever it was that they voted against stays in place, and then more and more is added to it, over time, and not always a long time, either.

Things that agree with the leftist agenda are ramrodded through, implemented as fast as possible, and when taken to court, rapidly ruled in favor of. That MAY not be how it actually is, but that is what it looks like from outside, to me.

steve4102 · August 25, 2016, 11:52 AM

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I don't live in in CA, so my view from the outside might not be completely accurate, but what I have noted over the last 40+ years is that no matter WHAT the PEOPLE of CA vote in, the only things that go into effect are those in line with the liberal/leftist agenda.

Public propositions that don't, like the ones to lower the people's cost for gasoline, auto insurance, car tabs, and everything else that isn't in line with what the powers that be want, doesn't go into effect.

It goes into court. And after YEARS in court (sometimes decades??) after public support has faded, it is ruled against. Net effect, zero change in people's lives. What ever it was that they voted against stays in place, and then more and more is added to it, over time, and not always a long time, either.

Things that agree with the leftist agenda are ramrodded through, implemented as fast as possible, and when taken to court, rapidly ruled in favor of. That MAY not be how it actually is, but that is what it looks like from outside, to me.

Sounds like the Obama Administration and the Ryan Controlled House.

turkeestalker · August 25, 2016, 05:55 PM

When efforts seem futile and hope seems lost, prayer works. Just sayin.

barnbwt · August 29, 2016, 09:12 PM

And as we all know, God helps those who help themselves. Good luck Californians, though I doubt you can get what you seek and remain as such (Californians, vs. Jeffersonians or Texans). 44 AMP has it right, that a very thorough trap against liberty has been erected in that state, which will require both irresistible and sustained pressure to dismantle, neither of which are still likely or possible given the makeup of the state's population (assuming they ever were). External pressure from the Feds is the only plausible scenario apart from balkanization of the state, but I see a new state of Jefferson as about as likely as a President Trump ordering the National Guard to oversee the unfettered arrival & sale of a shipment of AR15's at a San Francisco Cabela's.

TCB

johnwilliamson062 · August 30, 2016, 07:19 AM

I think pushing the state seperation plans forward would likely be easier than winning the battle chosen. Still, the best of luck, and I'll look under the couch cushions for change. No pizza this week

xcc_rider · September 17, 2016, 12:08 AM

I have signed the petitions but have little confidence that we will succeed.
Even when a proposition that passes the legislature finds a way around it.
We pass no new taxes without voter approval, they impose fees.
We pass no diverting fuel taxes from road funds, they find a way around it.
We pass prop 13 to freeze real estate taxes, they pass bills to erode it.
We pass the lottery bill to add funding to schools, they reduce school funding an equal amount.

And all the time they say they're looking out for us?

kilimanjaro · September 17, 2016, 09:35 PM

Good luck in California.

August 25, 2016, 07:29 AM	#1
Old Bill Dibble Senior Member Join Date: July 25, 2016 Posts: 802	Gunmaggeden Fight Moves into High Gear Personally I think they are making a bad assumption that they can win at the ballot box in California. Given CA courts and benches it is likely their only hope. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...nmageddon.html

August 25, 2016, 11:03 AM	#5
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,843	I don't live in in CA, so my view from the outside might not be completely accurate, but what I have noted over the last 40+ years is that no matter WHAT the PEOPLE of CA vote in, the only things that go into effect are those in line with the liberal/leftist agenda. Public propositions that don't, like the ones to lower the people's cost for gasoline, auto insurance, car tabs, and everything else that isn't in line with what the powers that be want, doesn't go into effect. It goes into court. And after YEARS in court (sometimes decades??) after public support has faded, it is ruled against. Net effect, zero change in people's lives. What ever it was that they voted against stays in place, and then more and more is added to it, over time, and not always a long time, either. Things that agree with the leftist agenda are ramrodded through, implemented as fast as possible, and when taken to court, rapidly ruled in favor of. That MAY not be how it actually is, but that is what it looks like from outside, to me. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

August 25, 2016, 05:55 PM	#7
turkeestalker Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2015 Location: Cottleville, Missouri Posts: 1,115	When efforts seem futile and hope seems lost, prayer works. Just sayin. __________________ Vegetarian... primitive word for lousy hunter!

August 29, 2016, 09:12 PM	#8
barnbwt Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 1,085	And as we all know, God helps those who help themselves. Good luck Californians, though I doubt you can get what you seek and remain as such (Californians, vs. Jeffersonians or Texans). 44 AMP has it right, that a very thorough trap against liberty has been erected in that state, which will require both irresistible and sustained pressure to dismantle, neither of which are still likely or possible given the makeup of the state's population (assuming they ever were). External pressure from the Feds is the only plausible scenario apart from balkanization of the state, but I see a new state of Jefferson as about as likely as a President Trump ordering the National Guard to oversee the unfettered arrival & sale of a shipment of AR15's at a San Francisco Cabela's. TCB __________________ "I don't believe that the men of the distant past were any wiser than we are today. But it does seem that their science and technology were able to accomplish much grander things." -- Alex Rosewater

August 25, 2016, 07:57 AM	#2
steve4102 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,955	I wish them luck, cuz they gunna need it. This be CA, remember.

August 25, 2016, 09:57 AM	#3
ATN082268 Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2013 Posts: 975	Even if the California voters overturn the Gunmaggedon laws, the government can always pass them again and if that somehow fails, the bureaucracies and/or the courts can always find ways around it. Certain states like California, Hawaii, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut and New Jersey along with the District of Columbia, are, IMHO too far gone to salvage as far as gun laws go.

August 25, 2016, 10:45 AM	#4
JWT Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2007 Location: Southern Arizona Posts: 3,888	Gotta congratulate them for trying. Fighting the huge liberal population in most of California is damn near impossible....but at least they are trying.

August 30, 2016, 07:19 AM	#9
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I think pushing the state seperation plans forward would likely be easier than winning the battle chosen. Still, the best of luck, and I'll look under the couch cushions for change. No pizza this week

September 17, 2016, 12:08 AM	#10
xcc_rider Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2016 Posts: 169	I have signed the petitions but have little confidence that we will succeed. Even when a proposition that passes the legislature finds a way around it. We pass no new taxes without voter approval, they impose fees. We pass no diverting fuel taxes from road funds, they find a way around it. We pass prop 13 to freeze real estate taxes, they pass bills to erode it. We pass the lottery bill to add funding to schools, they reduce school funding an equal amount. And all the time they say they're looking out for us?

September 17, 2016, 09:35 PM	#11
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	Good luck in California.